ISIS Crisis

[PensFanInDC]

On the surface? How about all over.

[columbia]

Im trying not to predict the future.

[Factorial]

Agreed.

[Southern Fan]

Jimmy Carter said that ISIS should be bombed. Wow.

[tifosi77]

Here's an article from 9/11 on that photo:

Nurtured by conspiracy blogposts, social media and photo-altering tricks, the false rumors of Mr. McCain’s relationship with ISIS have taken on a life of their own. One doctored photo shows the senator, an Arizona Republican, pinning a medal on Mr. Baghdadi’s chest.

I am not a McCain fan by any means but this is an example of how you can't believe a lot of what you read/see on the internets.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The guy in the picture I posted is not the guy being discussed in that NYT article. I also don't think anyone here believes McCain has 'ties' to ISIL, save for the unfortunate circumstance of appearing in a photograph with a couple guys who were fighting against ISIL but are now fighting for them.

[Eismann]

Jimmy Carter said that ISIS should be bombed. Wow.

He thinks ISIS is a pseudonym of USA.

[Factorial]

Here's an article from 9/11 on that photo:

Nurtured by conspiracy blogposts, social media and photo-altering tricks, the false rumors of Mr. McCain’s relationship with ISIS have taken on a life of their own. One doctored photo shows the senator, an Arizona Republican, pinning a medal on Mr. Baghdadi’s chest.

I am not a McCain fan by any means but this is an example of how you can't believe a lot of what you read/see on the internets.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/world ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The guy in the picture I posted is not the guy being discussed in that NYT article. I also don't think anyone here believes McCain has 'ties' to ISIL, save for the unfortunate circumstance of appearing in a photograph with a couple guys who were fighting against ISIL but are now fighting for them.

Right, that was posted as additional evidence of the misinformation being spread about McCain. I still don't see any credible information that the person in the photo you posted is in fact Abu Mosa (now dead).

[Shyster]

Doctoring a photo to make John McCain look like an *** is a waste of time. Just wait, and McCain will make himself look like an ***.

[Shyster]

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[PensFanInDC]

Amazing

[JS©]

Anonymous surfaces on a French channel, mentions their work against ISIS

http://www.france24.com/en/20140920-tec ... terrorism/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DelPen]

Russia might lecture us about bombing ISIS in Syria. I guess if we were planning on conquering Syria in addition to using our military in their border they would support us.

[eddysnake]

and their off...

The United States and five Arab allies launched a wide-ranging air campaign against the Islamic State and at least one other extremist group in Syria for the first time early Tuesday, targeting the groups’ bases, training camps and checkpoints in at least four provinces, according to the United States military and Syrian activists.

The attacks struck a fierce opening blow against the jihadists of the Islamic State, scattering their forces and damaging the network of facilities they have built in Syria that helped fuel the group’s seizure of a large part of Iraq this year.

The extent of the damage caused by the strikes remained unclear. Centcom said the wave of fighter planes, bombers, drones and cruise missiles struck 14 targets linked to the Islamic State.

“All aircraft safely exited the strike areas,” the statement said.

Almost 50 cruise missiles were launched from two American vessels in the Red Sea and the north of the Persian Gulf, it said, adding that four other attacks were launched on militant targets in Iraq in the same period, bringing the total there to 194.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/world ... .html?_r=0

[DelPen]

Centcom identified the Arab states participating in the campaign as Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

So basically the countries that can't really defend themselves are paying for us to bomb Islamists who would eventually take over their countries if left unchecked. Kind of feels like we are doing the work of a mercenary.

[PensFanInDC]

We are assuming they are paying for it?

[Factorial]

Centcom identified the Arab states participating in the campaign as Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

So basically the countries that can't really defend themselves are paying for us to bomb Islamists who would eventually take over their countries if left unchecked. Kind of feels like we are doing the work of a mercenary.

ISIS taking over those countries would do us great harm.

[PensFanInDC]

Indeed

[tifosi77]

Centcom identified the Arab states participating in the campaign as Bahrain, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

So basically the countries that can't really defend themselves are paying for us to bomb Islamists who would eventually take over their countries if left unchecked. Kind of feels like we are doing the work of a mercenary.

Fundamentally, I don't really have a problem with this. It is following the model (sort of) that Bush Major pieced together before the Gulf War, bringing Arab nations together in a coalition to combat a shared foe, with the local countries footing the bill. Aside from Saudi Arabia, none of the other countries listed really have the capability to conduct meaningful air campaigns over the horizon without major assistance from some other nation. (Jordan comes close)

[obhave]

I have a major issue with the US bombing in Syria without UN approval, regardless of the coalition that has formed. Iraq welcomed the airstrikes, so that was more acceptable.

[Eismann]

I could be way wrong, but it seems like the UN hasn't done anything about this since it started, so I don't think it needs to have a say now, though I'm sure there are convoluted rules governing it.

Overall, though, I'm still skeptical that these tactics will work at thus stage as I view ISIS as still a parasite.

[columbia]

The UN is a relatively useless body (lol columbia is a John Bircher), so I can't get too hung up on their opinion on the matter.

[PensFanInDC]

The UN is a relatively useless body (lol columbia is a John Bircher), so I can't get too hung up on their opinion on the matter.

Exactly. UN approval to destroy ISIS? Seriously? Should I get permission before starting chemo too? They are a cancer and should be wiped off the face of the earth no matter where they hide. They are a danger to everyone including Syria and UN nations.

[DelPen]

Is Syria OK with US going within their borders to wipe out a threat we recognized? If no then we can't really get too upset with other countries going wherever they want to deal with people they also see as threats. Part of the UN's job should be mitgating things like this but they have done a poor job doing anything but passing toothless resolutions in the past so they can disband for all I care.

And for the record, I support the strikes in Syria wether they want us there or not.

[obhave]

The UN is a relatively useless body (lol columbia is a John Bircher), so I can't get too hung up on their opinion on the matter.

Exactly. UN approval to destroy ISIS? Seriously? Should I get permission before starting chemo too? They are a cancer and should be wiped off the face of the earth no matter where they hide. They are a danger to everyone including Syria and UN nations.

We are entering a country without approval from that government. We aren't getting approval from that government about where we bomb. How does that not alarm anyone else? I don't like the Assad regime, but this seems like an issue to not involve them. And if we don't involve them, there should at least be approval from a governing body (the UN).

[columbia]

The UN is a relatively useless body (lol columbia is a John Bircher), so I can't get too hung up on their opinion on the matter.

Exactly. UN approval to destroy ISIS? Seriously? Should I get permission before starting chemo too? They are a cancer and should be wiped off the face of the earth no matter where they hide. They are a danger to everyone including Syria and UN nations.

We are entering a country without approval from that government. We aren't getting approval from that government about where we bomb. How does that not alarm anyone else? I don't like the Assad regime, but this seems like an issue to not involve them. And if we don't involve them, there should at least be approval from a governing body (the UN).

You're expecting the UN security council to sign off on it?