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America wrote:
Edit2.
Where's the outrage? Media coverage?
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What does this have to do with racism? I'm confused.
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Possibly the worst case of travelling that I've ever seen.
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Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:
Anyone agree with this?

@StuartScott: True Racism is group w majority/economic/political power discriminating against others..
Blacks/Hispanics can be ANGRY/RUDE but not "Racist
I don't wholeheartedly agree, but anyone who doesn't understand where he's coming from has no sense of American history.
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I'm of Italian descent. My ancestors weren't enslaved in America but they were discriminated against and segregated by given different jobs and limited to a certain area of the city. The KKK and other groups would prosecute them for their religious views. Now we aren't as attacked as before but growing up I got comments about being greasy and was called derogatory ethnic names. So does that make any racist comment I make me just being rude? Sterling is Jewish, probably the most prosecuted ethnic group of all time. So why didn't he get a free pass? Was it because the slavery of his people didn't occur here? And if you consider the fact Jews were put into forced labor by the Nazis, their slavery is more recent.

In the end all types of racism and discrimination need to be condemned and punished equally in relation to the nature of the act or people will use a double standard as ammunition to promote a narrative against the other.
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America wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:
Anyone agree with this?

@StuartScott: True Racism is group w majority/economic/political power discriminating against others..
Blacks/Hispanics can be ANGRY/RUDE but not "Racist
Unbelievable. Seriously.

If this was a white ESPN host making a derogatory comment towards another race the media/people would have his head on a stick.

The sad part is his views are so commonly shared among minorities. Racism only exists because people still talk about it and view each other as black/white instead of just "people". Reverse racism is way too common - in college I see it a lot. Black students can say whatever they want - any names they want to call a white kid is generally accepted, but if a white student says anything to the degree they say it's taboo and they are blacklisted and the black students will be enraged. It's stupid.

White people are the only people who can be racist apparently and that's a load of ****


Edit:
If you want to see how racism exists from all types of people, just search for a news article that illustrates the Tweets after the Treyvon Martin verdict. The Tweets that night from people were absolutely sickening to see and read. That kind of thing is just allowed to happen without much thought, whereas if it had been a white majority Tweeting about going out and killing 12 black kids to make up for a verdict, all hell would break loose. It's a terrible reality not many people like to accept because it's simply a taboo subject. Reverse racism exists and racism exists across all spectrums of color and ethnicity.

Edit2.
Where's the outrage? Media coverage?
http://www.mlive.com/entertainment/detr ... of_de.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I re-read this and saw you were still in college. Then it made more sense.

This is a very naive point of view. I'm inferring from this that you think racism is only something minorities conjure up themselves. I don't understand what you're trying to say early on in your post, if not that.
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Factorial wrote:
Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:
Anyone agree with this?

@StuartScott: True Racism is group w majority/economic/political power discriminating against others..
Blacks/Hispanics can be ANGRY/RUDE but not "Racist
I don't wholeheartedly agree, but anyone who doesn't understand where he's coming from has no sense of American history.
While I also "understand" this sentiment, I think it's crap, to be honest. Stuart Scott had a very blessed upbringing, and has enjoyed a wonderfully successful career working for ESPN. This is why I always get a little perturbed when people cite "American history" has carte blanche to say just about any stupid race-related thing, as in the case of Scott here.

I've read stories in Philly, and relatively frequently, of gangs of black teenagers assaulting white people for no reason. In one notorious case last year, they dragged a white couple out of their cab in Center City and beat the husband to death as he tried to defend his wife, all while shouting racial epithets the entire time. According to Stuart Scott, these black teenagers are simply angry/rude, not racist. There is no excuse for the incredibly dumb and irresponsible thing Scott tweeted, regardless of whatever historical prism we want to view it through.

I wonder if he thinks Robert Mugabe is a racist.
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Shaf, you're personalizing the issue while Stuart Scott is looking at it though the lens of history. There is a difference.
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Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:
I'm of Italian descent. My ancestors weren't enslaved in America but they were discriminated against and segregated by given different jobs and limited to a certain area of the city. The KKK and other groups would prosecute them for their religious views. Now we aren't as attacked as before but growing up I got comments about being greasy and was called derogatory ethnic names. So does that make any racist comment I make me just being rude? Sterling is Jewish, probably the most prosecuted ethnic group of all time. So why didn't he get a free pass? Was it because the slavery of his people didn't occur here? And if you consider the fact Jews were put into forced labor by the Nazis, their slavery is more recent.

In the end all types of racism and discrimination need to be condemned and punished equally in relation to the nature of the act or people will use a double standard as ammunition to promote a narrative against the other.
I think this is a great point. Usually when someone of a certain race or ethnicity makes fun of their own it's socially acceptable for the most part. I think the worst thing Sterling said on that tape was the Jews comment - he's Jewish. He also went into a historical context with it. So I guess rappers have to stop saying the N word in all their songs now and so forth.

It's a double standard as far as I can see.
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There's a difference between systemic race discrimination and tribal/national bigotry.
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Troy Loney wrote:
There's a difference between systemic race discrimination and tribal/national bigotry.
Why?
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I've never liked stu. I tried, because he's been through a lot, but I'm going to quit trying now.
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Sam's Drunk Dog wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
There's a difference between systemic race discrimination and tribal/national bigotry.
Why?
Because individuals are always going to be stupid and sensationalists. But a nation has to work to remove the bigotry that was ingrained in it's people to support market dynamics.
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Factorial wrote:
Shaf, you're personalizing the issue while Stuart Scott is looking at it though the lens of history.
What? How am I personalizing the issue? So are you saying Robert Mugabe isn't a part of the "lens of history"? You are giving Scott far too much credit here. There is generally a great hesitance to throw the "racist" label at black people because that is a label generally reserved for white people like Donald Sterling and Cliven Bundy (and rightfully so, mind you). I don't believe Scott is taking some grand, macroscopic view of the history of the world here...as I said before, he never had to experience any of the hardships his ancestors likely did. I think this is more of a case of him seeing minority groups as victims in perpetuity, therefore not able to be held responsible for their race-related words and actions.

Do I really have to link articles to the numerous "black supremacist" groups out there? Nation of Islam,anyone? The idea that blacks can somehow not be "racist" is about the dumbest damn thing I've ever heard. And using the "lens of history" as an excuse is giving him far too much leeway. I'm more than aware of our nation's history in that regard, so don't accuse me of being naive either. How about this:

"Black people are far more dangerous than white people, and you are probably right, especially in cities, to trust a white person than a black person. They are much more prone to robbery and thuggery, not to mention rape and murder. It's their fault our cities are in such decay nowadays."

Wait, are you accusing me of racism? How dare you! I'm just viewing this issue through the prism and lens of federal government crime statistics and what I read in the news! Both that statement and Scott's are equally stupid.
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All that being said, yes, white people have committed far more institutional racism than black people, Zimbabwe notwithstanding, and I agree with TL that it's a deep valley to climb back from.
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who said people in pgh dont care about the nba :pop:
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Letang Is The Truth wrote:
who said people in pgh dont care about the nba :pop:
There were a total of 55 posts in this thread when this story broke on Sunday :lol:
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Too many people confuse the words racism, prejudice, bigotry, and oppression.
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pittsoccer33 wrote:
Too many people confuse the words racism, prejudice, bigotry, and oppression.
I would agree.
However, if it is happening to you, you're probably not worried semantics.
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Saying that only one ethnic group (or a select few ethnic groups) is capable of doing something is racist, is it not?
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Stu should just sit there and read the news, it's his bread and butter. Don't try and think, guy. Stick to sports. ;)
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That's racist
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meow wrote:
That's racist
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Racism issues aside, you'd think with all that money he could get a hotter looking woman. :pop: