The Jarry Problem

[dhayer18]

Since it doesn't look like he is going to improve. What are the options?
no team will trade for him.

Would it be nuts to waive him? That's what I am hoping for even if doesn't get claimed how much $ would they save if he goes to the AHL.

[FLPensFan]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

[ahawk9]

I really feel that it's time to waive him and send him down. He's broken, especially at home but he was mediocre - at best - in Detroit. Not sure the savings but it would be a little. He does not give them a chance to win, and it seems the team sags considerably when he gives up one of his patented "He shoulda had that one" goals.

His cap hit won't matter much in the coming years as the cap will go up and guys like Malkin (retirement), EK (trade or UFA), and Rust, Rakell, Eller, Bunting, Pettersson (trades?) will all be off the books and replaced (probably) with cheaper and younger alternatives. Same with Graves' contract, too. They should have the cap space to absorb that hit rather than buy him out and pay him for 8 years. At least Graves still has a chance to find himself and potentially be traded at some point (wishful thinking). Jarry just seems Jim Carey-esque in his stunning downfall from all-star to fringe NHLer.

[KG]

Yeah the Jarry situation is tough for sure. I don't see any team just taking the contract on, unless we agree to take back an equally bad one which wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if it's a forward or D.

Ned was just sent down to WBS for conditioning, so he's coming back soon. Bloom doesn't deserve to get sent down, but unless they trade or waive Jarry they have no choice but to send him down. Carrying 3 goalies isn't good for his development, unless they are going to just not play Jarry.

I would be trying hard to trade Jarry. If no takers, I would waive him and hope he finds his game in WBS. Samsonov was waived and sent down by Toronto last year and then played in the playoffs. Goalie is a very fickle position and tough to predict.

[pens_CT]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

I'm sure they don't want to send him to the AHL, but when Ned is healthy and ready to return what do you do? Blomqvist hasn't given them a reason to send him back, keeping three goalies makes no sense. Send Jarry to WBS and see if he regain his game. He's always been inconsistent but his play has definitely declined.

[largegarlic]

Blomqvist clearly gives the team a better chance to win than Jarry, and if Nedjelkovic comes back and plays like he did at the end of last season, he'll give the team a better chance to win than Jarry.

I don't even know if waiving him is a great option, since it won't save much cap space, and then he'd presumably be taking away minutes from someone in WBS (I can't imagine anyone claiming him).

I guess I'd vote for the suggestion to trade him for a similar bad contract and hope that incoming player benefits from a change of scenario or at least doesn't amount to spotting the other team 2-3 goals every time they're in the lineup.

[BurghThing]

Just cause he's in WBS doesn't mean you have to play him.

[Puck-Lurker]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

Sincere apologies for being a pedant.

It's 1.150M savings, rather than 1.125M. Tiny difference (only 25k) but it occasionally matters. It's because the league minimum has gone up slightly over time, but the minimum + 375k rule hasn't changed. Again, pedantic, I'm sorry.


As for Jarry.. that ship sailed. It ran aground, was patched up and towed, and again and again, now it's sunk.

We're stuck with his stupid contract. I was against resigning Jarry at anything over 1M. Just hated the signing with a passion. He's disappointed us again and again since. Shown no signs of recovering and seems to be dodging reporters now. Body language is WAY off.

Nobody wants to touch this guy with a ten foot pole. And I'm done apologising for him in the faint hope he will be a functioning NHL goaltender. We have goalies in this org that WILL do better.

Sure Blomqvist let in two. A deflection (deflected twice I thought). And a cannonball of a wrister that went top shelf. I'm not going to hold those against any goalie, not even had it been Jarry. Blomqvist was aggressive in his crease, came up high to challenge shots, diminish angles. Kids got confidence and it shows. Some good responses to keep his team in the fight including one bona fide highlight reel save.

Now Jarry. If it's not aimed at the Penguins logo it goes in. Deep in his net, makes unforced errors. Bad body language, just doesn't look happy or into it. Defence was absolutely **** all game. That's when a good goaltender will help you. Yeah giving up one early isn't the end of the world. Now three goals on five shots... Send him to Wheeling on conditioning and never play him while he's there.

Tis bad asset management, but you keep him away from the NHL lineup as much as you can.

[FLPensFan]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

I'm sure they don't want to send him to the AHL, but when Ned is healthy and ready to return what do you do? Blomqvist hasn't given them a reason to send him back, keeping three goalies makes no sense. Send Jarry to WBS and see if he regain his game. He's always been inconsistent but his play has definitely declined.

I'm not sure there is anything there to correct. He's 29 years old, and he's always been a streaky goalie at best. Good first halves of the season, poor second halves. Injury prone. Rumors of poor practice habits. Rumors of not really following instruction to improve.

But I think more than anything else, his teammates and coaches have lost faith in him. Jarry seldom if ever had post-game conversations where he took the brunt of the criticism. Always seemed like there was someone else to blame. I believe he stared down Pettersson after a goal against from Dallas, and that did not sit well with the team.

A buyout next summer may be the best option. He'd cost 1.74M against the cap in 25-26 (saving 3.6M), 5.04M against the cap in 26-27 (saving only 327K), 4.5M in 27-28, saving only 827K, then for 3 more years, he'd have a 797K cap hit due to buyout.

It's not pretty, but, having cheap young goalies coming in instead will offset the cost. Jarry and Ned are 7.875M in cap hit. Blomqvist and Ned plus Jarry dead cap from buyout next year 4M in total cap hit next season on goalies. You also add in the cap going up the next few years, and the fact that, this team should be in transition where they aren't necessarily right at the cap every year.

Again, not pretty or the instant decision to make...but it should be considered. I'd probably start by telling Jarry's agent he is free to seek a trade. EDM and COL are two teams desperate for goalies. Start there.

[FLPensFan]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

Sincere apologies for being a pedant.

It's 1.150M savings, rather than 1.125M. Tiny difference (only 25k) but it occasionally matters. It's because the league minimum has gone up slightly over time, but the minimum + 375k rule hasn't changed. Again, pedantic, I'm sorry.

No worries. I thought it might have gone up. I knew it somehow correlated to the league minimum, but never knew it was league minimum +375k that goes off the cap, so thanks for that.

Sure Blomqvist let in two. A deflection (deflected twice I thought). And a cannonball of a wrister that went top shelf. I'm not going to hold those against any goalie, not even had it been Jarry. Blomqvist was aggressive in his crease, came up high to challenge shots, diminish angles. Kids got confidence and it shows. Some good responses to keep his team in the fight including one bona fide highlight reel save.

Blomqvist still needs some work, but I wouldn't say that he is not NHL ready and needs to work on things in the AHL. He could stand to be a little better stickhandling with the puck. Then again, Jarry is a good stickhandling goalie and look at that first goal.

Blomqvist also occasionally struggles on long shots. I think this is more getting used to the pace of shots at the NHL level, and I don't think going to the AHL is going to do him much good.

Bottom line is, Blomqvist is still young, and I think he has room to improve at the NHL level. Jarry will be 30 in late April. I think he is who he is and there isn't much hope for change there. Time to cut and run.

[dark_forces]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

I'm sure they don't want to send him to the AHL, but when Ned is healthy and ready to return what do you do? Blomqvist hasn't given them a reason to send him back, keeping three goalies makes no sense. Send Jarry to WBS and see if he regain his game. He's always been inconsistent but his play has definitely declined.

I'm not sure there is anything there to correct. He's 29 years old, and he's always been a streaky goalie at best. Good first halves of the season, poor second halves. Injury prone. Rumors of poor practice habits. Rumors of not really following instruction to improve.

But I think more than anything else, his teammates and coaches have lost faith in him. Jarry seldom if ever had post-game conversations where he took the brunt of the criticism. Always seemed like there was someone else to blame. I believe he stared down Pettersson after a goal against from Dallas, and that did not sit well with the team.

A buyout next summer may be the best option. He'd cost 1.74M against the cap in 25-26 (saving 3.6M), 5.04M against the cap in 26-27 (saving only 327K), 4.5M in 27-28, saving only 827K, then for 3 more years, he'd have a 797K cap hit due to buyout.

It's not pretty, but, having cheap young goalies coming in instead will offset the cost. Jarry and Ned are 7.875M in cap hit. Blomqvist and Ned plus Jarry dead cap from buyout next year 4M in total cap hit next season on goalies. You also add in the cap going up the next few years, and the fact that, this team should be in transition where they aren't necessarily right at the cap every year.

Again, not pretty or the instant decision to make...but it should be considered. I'd probably start by telling Jarry's agent he is free to seek a trade. EDM and COL are two teams desperate for goalies. Start there.

If you're Dubas, are you open to salary retention on Jarry to help facilitate a deal?

[maopens]

The best option may be putting Jarry on LTIR so we can have some cap relief.

Surely, he can be diagnosed as having torn his motivator cuff, or a sprained heartilage.

[FLPensFan]

The maximum cap hit that can be buried in the AHL is 1.125M. So if Jarry were sent to the AHL, he would free up 1.125M in cap space for the Penguins. The rest of his cap hit would still count against us.

It is not unprecedented to do this. Edmonton put Jack Campbell in the AHL last year, and he had multiple years remaining on his deal at 5M AAV.

I don't think the Penguins would go that far but....they basically benched Jarry for the last 11 games of the season last year, so it isn't totally out of the question.

I'm sure they don't want to send him to the AHL, but when Ned is healthy and ready to return what do you do? Blomqvist hasn't given them a reason to send him back, keeping three goalies makes no sense. Send Jarry to WBS and see if he regain his game. He's always been inconsistent but his play has definitely declined.

I'm not sure there is anything there to correct. He's 29 years old, and he's always been a streaky goalie at best. Good first halves of the season, poor second halves. Injury prone. Rumors of poor practice habits. Rumors of not really following instruction to improve.

But I think more than anything else, his teammates and coaches have lost faith in him. Jarry seldom if ever had post-game conversations where he took the brunt of the criticism. Always seemed like there was someone else to blame. I believe he stared down Pettersson after a goal against from Dallas, and that did not sit well with the team.

A buyout next summer may be the best option. He'd cost 1.74M against the cap in 25-26 (saving 3.6M), 5.04M against the cap in 26-27 (saving only 327K), 4.5M in 27-28, saving only 827K, then for 3 more years, he'd have a 797K cap hit due to buyout.

It's not pretty, but, having cheap young goalies coming in instead will offset the cost. Jarry and Ned are 7.875M in cap hit. Blomqvist and Ned plus Jarry dead cap from buyout next year 4M in total cap hit next season on goalies. You also add in the cap going up the next few years, and the fact that, this team should be in transition where they aren't necessarily right at the cap every year.

Again, not pretty or the instant decision to make...but it should be considered. I'd probably start by telling Jarry's agent he is free to seek a trade. EDM and COL are two teams desperate for goalies. Start there.

If you're Dubas, are you open to salary retention on Jarry to help facilitate a deal?

You are either taking back a bad contract or retaining salary if you want to move Jarry. No way around it. And to prove that we aren't all just Penguins fandom Debbie Downers on Jarry...The Athletic just had a piece on bad contracts around the NHL, Jarry was the goalie they listed.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/584580 ... zibanejad/

He’s 12th in the NHL in terms of goalie cap hit among active players, and few fans would rank him that high in terms of goalies you’d want to build around. Worse, seven of the guys ahead of him have deals expiring by 2027, whereas Jarry’s runs longer.

[BlackNGold4Life]

Graves & Jarry for Darnell Nurse

[FLPensFan]

Graves & Jarry for Darnell Nurse

No way in h-e double hockey sticks. Nurse is 9.25M for 5 more years after this one. It's Ryan Graves, twice as expensive, for an extra year. No sir. No how.

[Sams_Dog]

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But I think more than anything else, his teammates and coaches have lost faith in him. Jarry seldom if ever had post-game conversations where he took the brunt of the criticism. Always seemed like there was someone else to blame. I believe he stared down Pettersson after a goal against from Dallas, and that did not sit well with the team.
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I think you're right. This makes a deal even less likely if word of his attitude get out. He seems very aloof and unwilling to take responsibility for bad goals/games. I think this is a big reason why they went with Ned down the stretch and even after they were eliminated. I get the feeling Jarry's teammates aren't too thrilled with him.

[100565]

I would not retain salary.

I don’t think he can be traded without negative contract coming back, retention, or additional assets attached.

I’d send him to AHL and hope he regains form. He’d get minimum playing time in AHL for now though.

Or heartiledge!

[Antonio]

So my question is...why could tons of casual fans see signing him to that contract was a non starter before it was signed but the million dollar "experts" running the show could not avoid that mistake?

[Puck-Lurker]

I think you're right. This makes a deal even less likely if word of his attitude get out. He seems very aloof and unwilling to take responsibility for bad goals/games. I think this is a big reason why they went with Ned down the stretch and even after they were eliminated. I get the feeling Jarry's teammates aren't too thrilled with him.

Even if they loved the guy... he's the guy that makes your team freak out. No lead is safe, any moment the will let in a softie.

And if he's lost the room. Call up Larsson right now to back up Blomqvist until Ned returns.

Fire Sullivan
Waive Jarry

[DelPen]

NHL GM’s are idiots for the most part and will make trades based on reputation and past achievements. Jarry being a two time all star might be enough for someone to kick the tires on him if they A) really don’t have any good options right now in net, B) have cap space to take on Jarrys deal now and for the remaining term, and C) have a plan to rebuild and not being competitive isn’t an issue.

It will be far more likely we need to add a 2nd rounder to a Jarry deal than retain salary, the type of team that might want to trade for him might want him also to reach the cap floor.

[Pitts]

So my question is...why could tons of casual fans see signing him to that contract was a non starter before it was signed but the million dollar "experts" running the show could not avoid that mistake?

I read again just this week that the goalie market was terrible that off season and they "had no choice."

[BigMcK]

Maybe in a trade, offer to pay 90% of this year's salary with zero retention for the remainder of his contract. The money is going to get spent on him anyway, so don't offer any future pick(s) to make him go away.

[Sigwolf]

Maybe in a trade, offer to pay 90% of this year's salary with zero retention for the remainder of his contract. The money is going to get spent on him anyway, so don't offer any future pick(s) to make him go away.

Not possible. Any retained money is for the duration of the contract. Not to mention, the maximum possible retention for one team is 50%.

[BigMcK]

Maybe in a trade, offer to pay 90% of this year's salary with zero retention for the remainder of his contract. The money is going to get spent on him anyway, so don't offer any future pick(s) to make him go away.

Not possible. Any retained money is for the duration of the contract. Not to mention, the maximum possible retention for one team is 50%.

That's a bad deal. I was trying to think of a way to just buy him off this season and let the receiving team deal with the residual contract without dealing away another asset in the deal.

Thanks for the clarification.

KD earned 5 out of 5 oooofs for Graves and Jarry contracts.

[Pens4Life]

None of the scenarios with him are good.. but sometimes you have to take some bad with the good..

Maybe Jarry with 25% retained (4M approx. left) and 2nd rounder goes for another underperforming guy and 3rd rounder..

Which team could need him? Even JR and Vancouver probably wouldnt bite that sour apple atm.