Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Guinness wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:50 pm
Pitts wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:42 pm Personally, I think this team could use a little Tom Wilson
Well, I'd prefer the team have a little Patric Horqvist, but YMMV. :wink:
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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Pitts wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:55 pm
Guinness wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:50 pm
Pitts wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:42 pm Personally, I think this team could use a little Tom Wilson
Well, I'd prefer the team have a little Patric Horqvist, but YMMV. :wink:
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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Pitts wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:42 pm Personally, I think this team could use a little Tom Wilson
I agree. I don't like him as a Cap but would probably like him as a Pen. He would bring much needed grit.
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KBone wrote: Tue Jan 23, 2024 11:41 pm Nah, they have it half the time, hence them being a .500 team.
True.
Half the time in regular season and none of the time in the playoffs for 5+ years.
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offsides wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 1:11 pm
Pitts wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 12:42 pm Personally, I think this team could use a little Tom Wilson
I agree. I don't like him as a Cap but would probably like him as a Pen. He would bring much needed grit.
I'd take his grit, but not his dirt.
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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Grumblings that the Arizona experiment could soon be over. Wonder what happened first, Yotes move or Sullivan is fired?
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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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Why can't we get a deal like this?

The Edmonton Oilers announced Monday that they have signed forward Corey Perry to a one-year contract with an average annual value of $775,000.
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BONVIE wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:48 pm Why can't we get a deal like this?

The Edmonton Oilers announced Monday that they have signed forward Corey Perry to a one-year contract with an average annual value of $775,000.
Eh, another old, worn out retread. He messed up Chicago...why? Don't need that baggage. We already have an old washed up Carter.
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DelPen wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:45 pm Grumblings that the Arizona experiment could soon be over. Wonder what happened first, Yotes move or Sullivan is fired?
I'd much rather see Arizona move than bringing in any more expansion teams. The smallest talent pool of any major league sport doesn't need to add more teams to water down lineups.

And I'd rather see Sullivan go before an Yotes move.
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FLPensFan wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 10:50 am
DelPen wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 7:45 pm Grumblings that the Arizona experiment could soon be over. Wonder what happened first, Yotes move or Sullivan is fired?
I'd much rather see Arizona move than bringing in any more expansion teams. The smallest talent pool of any major league sport doesn't need to add more teams to water down lineups.

And I'd rather see Sullivan go before an Yotes move.
Well owner's of the Utah Jazz have officially submitted an expansion request with an arena that could be played ASAP.

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The Delta Center is horrible for hockey: https://www.sltrib.com/resizer/VcPvP3vu ... G6LN6M.JPG

But I guess 14,000 is better than ASU’s multi purpose arena.
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It amazes me why anyone outside the Coyotes general area would be concerned about the Arena size or fan base.

I see it as a person looking into the backyard of a neighbor and making comments about their pool being too small and the yard doesn't have enough tiki torches to really enjoy the space.

Nothing personal but I like having an option to view live hockey when I am in town.
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BigMcK wrote: Thu Jan 25, 2024 8:47 pm It amazes me why anyone outside the Coyotes general area would be concerned about the Arena size or fan base.

I see it as a person looking into the backyard of a neighbor and making comments about their pool being too small and the yard doesn't have enough tiki torches to really enjoy the space.

Nothing personal but I like having an option to view live hockey when I am in town.
Fan base...no reason to criticize. Arena, lots of reason to criticize. The first of which is a 5000-6000 seat venue pulls in 1/3 of the gate receipt, which ultimately impacts HRR, which impacts the cap.

The other myriad of reasons is that, hockey in Arizona has failed a half-dozen times over. The NHL owned the team, I believe they've been kicked out of two different arenas, they seemed to become an "NHL loophole" dumping ground at times for dumping bad contracts.

I think those are the issue most fans have and why they want to see the team go elsewhere.
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Re: Game 44 vs. Arizona - Thoughts from the Morning After

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FLPF, I appreciate your opinions, thoughts and time spent constructing comments here. Having said that...

Having been a child of the sun my entire life, my perspective is different than others not from the Southwest. I enjoyed watching the Phoenix Roadrunners in the late 80's at America West Arena. Talk about a horrible place to watch a game. When the Coyotes arrived, both teams competed for a fan base in the desert. Roadrunners lost their fanbase.

The Coyotes (franchise) have always been a pawn in Maricopa politics. A proposed Arena deal to be built in south Scottsdale (where it should have been built) fell through due to politics. Next, they moved west to a community who had limited experience with hockey, to play in an Arena too large to generate a live crowd. And, not at IHL Roadrunner ticket prices, but NHL Coyotes ticket prices. Soccer rules in Glendale...

I don't fault the fans one bit. Hockey fans are from the east side. They still are.

Now, in terms of revenue sharing... Name one team ( outside of the Coyotes, which I have listed their issues above) that is below the selling price of said team's purchase price. NHL revenues are up, current franchise values are up, and the price for new franchise prices are up.

When ownership of any of the existing franchises ***** and complain they can't cover player expenses, then I will be concerned about the Coyotes, and where they play.

Until then, my neighbors pool and tiki torch count is none of my business.