LGP Fantasy Baseball League

[Kraftster]

Marshall falling into my lap was huge. I feel like its only fair given some of the bad luck I dealt with in my fantasy hockey playoffs this year.

With two closers in tow, I'm going to take this ish.

[beerman]

I don't agree on knocking off buyout years, I think it should be actual salary cap years. Buyout years don't impact much other than FA, over the past 2 seasons how many times has someone even come close to using them all? If it was even 1/4 of the time I'd be shocked. Cutting actual cap years is a penalty buyout years isn't IMO.

[Mr. Colby]

But what if someone (Kovy) never gets in their contracts and then quits the league for the following year? Would you penalize someone (me) by making me lose contract years because the guy I replaced didn't do what he was supposed to?

Hypothetical here using a real-life past example

[beerman]

Yeah, I would. It sucks but there needs to be some type of penalty. Maybe in that situation the new owner gets a reduced penalty just because they had nothing to do with it but if we have a terrible owner who just signs everybody to 1 year deals then quits the person overtaking them would have a crap situation they'd have to overcome as well even though it isn't their fault.

Here's my real reason it needs to be cap years and not buy out... If someone is so lax they don't turn their contracts in for say a week and we dock them 10 buyout years, what are the chances they're even going to be active in the league? If they aren't active in the league they aren't going to need buyout years, Kovy probably made a move or two tops what kind of penalty would he even incur then? It wouldn't be because you're taking something he isn't going to use, big deal.

Please don't take this like I'm trying to screw someone in your situation or anything but chances are in that situation you're punishing someone who isn't paying attention by taking away a perk that they wouldn't use unless they're paying attention.

If everybody agrees on buyout years I'll go along but I don't think it is any penalty at all. Active owners will have the contracts in, inactive ones won't and therefore buyout years is no penalty at all.

[MWB]

Matt Kemp OF 3
Robinson Cano 2B 3
Matt Holliday OF 2
Justin Verlander SP 1
Andre Ethier OF 1
Stephen Drew SS 1
Scott Baker SP 1
Wade Davis SP 2
Gio Gonzalez SP 2
Victor Martinez C 1
Mat Latos SP 3
Paul Konerko 1B 1
Aramis Ramirez 3B 1
Carlos Santana C 5
Starlin Castro SS 4
Mariano Rivera RP 1
Eric Hosmer 1B 4
James Shields SP 3
Ryan Madson RP 1
Cam Maybin OF 3
Ervin Santana SP 1
Rafael Betancourt RP 1
Cap Hit 45

Farm:
Jake Fox 3B
Matt Dominguez OF
Zach Wheeler SP
Manny Banuelos SP
Jonathon Singleton
Jean Segura
HJ Lee
Andrew Brackman
Zach Braddock
Cole Kimball
Alex Colome
Christian Yelich
Slade Heathcott OF
Ryan Gennett
Mike Alt 3b
Cheslor Cuthbert 3B
Javier Baez SS
Taylor Guerrieri SP
Dante Bichette Jr OF
Mikie Mahtook OF

[Letang Is The Truth]

Yeah, I would. It sucks but there needs to be some type of penalty. Maybe in that situation the new owner gets a reduced penalty just because they had nothing to do with it but if we have a terrible owner who just signs everybody to 1 year deals then quits the person overtaking them would have a crap situation they'd have to overcome as well even though it isn't their fault.

Here's my real reason it needs to be cap years and not buy out... If someone is so lax they don't turn their contracts in for say a week and we dock them 10 buyout years, what are the chances they're even going to be active in the league? If they aren't active in the league they aren't going to need buyout years, Kovy probably made a move or two tops what kind of penalty would he even incur then? It wouldn't be because you're taking something he isn't going to use, big deal.

Please don't take this like I'm trying to screw someone in your situation or anything but chances are in that situation you're punishing someone who isn't paying attention by taking away a perk that they wouldn't use unless they're paying attention.

If everybody agrees on buyout years I'll go along but I don't think it is any penalty at all. Active owners will have the contracts in, inactive ones won't and therefore buyout years is no penalty at all.

i support this. also re: colby's point, when we successfully execute this, we will not be in that situation as the contracts will already be established to avoid the penalty being incurred

[Loaf31]

C - Joe Mauer - 4
1B/3B - Pablo Sandoval - 2
2B - Ian Kinsler - 3
SS - Asdrubal Cabrera - 1
1B/OF - Adam Lind - 2
SP - Yovanni Gallardo - 2
SP - David Price - 3
OF - Denard Span - 2
OF - Austin Jackson - 2
OF - Drew Stubbs - 3
1B - Carlos Pena - 1
RP - Carlos Marmol - 2
OF - Mike Stanton - 5
SP - Stephen Strasburg - 4
C - Miguel Montero - 1
SS - Jhonny Peralta - 1
1B - Justin Smoak - 1
RP - Jonathan Papelbon - 3
SP - Yu Darvish - 3
RP - Grant Balfour - 1
SP - Derek Holland - 1
SP - Ted Lilly - 1
48/50

Jesus Montero - C (SEA)
Aaron Crow - P (KC)
Josh Vitters - 3B (CHC)
Andy Oliver - P (DET)
Kyle Drabek - SP (TOR)
Bryce Harper - OF (WSH)
Jameson Taillon - SP (PIT)
Zach Britton - SP (BAL)
Devin Morasco - C (CIN)
Christian Colon - SS (KC)
Billy Hamilton - 2B/SS (CIN)
Matt Davidson - 3B (ARI)
Stetson Allie - P (PIT)
Kaleb Cowart - 3B (LAA)
Zack Von Rosenberg - P (PIT)
Anthony Rendon - 3B (WSH)
Bubba Starling - OF (KC)
Francisco Lindor - SS (CLE)
Alex Dickerson - 1B (PIT)
Jesse Biddle - SP (PHI)

[Letang Is The Truth]

is there a max contract length?

[Kraftster]

No max length.

I agree with you, beerman. Cap years makes more sense. The stricter the penalty the better as far as I'm concerned.

[Idoit40fans]

I'm on board with whatever penalty anyone comes up with. Whenever we make a decision, you'll get my contracts the next night. Like I said though, my contracts aren't being turned in until we make a decision. I'm annoyed that there hasn't been a penalty for the past two seasons that i've been asking for one though.

[MWB]

I agree with cap years.

The only thing I'll add is that penalizing new owners for the previous owner's rule-breaking could prevent new owners from joining. Puts them in a tough spot for something they didn't do. Maybe cut the penalty in half if it's a new owner? I'll go along with whatever the penalty is though.

[beerman]

Ok so that's 5 of us that support that, can we get someone else to weigh in so we have a majority and can move forward

[Idoit40fans]

...assuming this gets decided on later tonight or tomorrow morning...it needs to go into effect tomorrow night. I'll flip out if I lose cap years because i'm going to bed at 10:10.

I'll load my roster onto gmail and turn it in sometime during work tomorrow. I'm about to die towards my bed though.

[Letang Is The Truth]

It needs to go into effect now. It's not our fault you are handling this like a spoiled brat. Just make your **** picks and get over it

[ulf]

Mine are final per the google doc. copy paste isn't working...

id40 man up and set your roster. i'm for a penalty but we should have decided more than 8 hours before 1st pitch

[Mr. Colby]

OK let's do it this way

New CBA Rule Proposal 3/27/2012: All managers must have their new-player or expiring-farm player contracts submitted by the first pitch of the upcoming baseball season. Any manager that does not submit said contracts will be given a 24 hour grace period. At the turn of the 24th hour, that manager will forfeit three (3) contract years out of their 50-contract cap for the following season. Every 24th hour from that point forward, that manager will forfeit one (1) additional contract year. By the 11th day following failure to submit contracts (the turn of the 264th hour following the opening pitch), any manager failing to submit new player contracts may relieved of their duties as manager and replaced. Replacement managers will then incur 50% of the forfeitures (i.e. 6 contract years) for the following season.

Example 1: The 20XX baseball season starts on 4/1/20XX at 1:00pm EST. Manager A submits his player contracts on 4/4/20XX at 1:01pm EST. Manager A will forfeit 3 contract years effective 4/2/20XX at 1:00pm EST, 1 contract year effective 4/3/20XX at 1:00pm EST, and 1 contract year effective 4/4/20XX at 1:00pm EST. Manager A will have his 20XX+1 contract cap reduced by 5 contract years, for a total of 45 player contract years.

Example 2: The 20XX baseball season starts on 4/1/20XX at 1:00pm EST. Manager B still has failed to submit his contracts by 4/12/20XX at 1:00pm. Manager B may be replaced by an outside manager (Manager Z). Since Manager B will have incurred 12 years of contract forfeitures (3 on 4/2 at 1pm, 1 each on 4/3-4/11 at 1pm), Manager Z will inherit 50% of that penalization (6 years of contract forfeitures).


ANYONE IN OPPOSITION TO THE PROPOSED RULE, PLEASE OBJECT TO IT BY 10:00 AM EST ON 3/28/2012. GOING BY THE PRINCIPLE OF MAJORITY RULES, SIX MANAGERS OPPOSING THIS PROPOSAL BY THAT TIME WILL CAUSE THE RULE TO BE OVERTURNED.

OTHERWISE, ALL CONTRACTS MAY BE TURNED IN UNTIL 6:09AM EST ON 3/29/2012 WITHOUT PENALTY (as the first game of the season is 3/28/2012 at 6:10am EST).


This will allow for the rule to be formally put in place, and stubborn managers to get their contracts in without penalty.

Honestly, if you can't get your contracts in on time (or shortly thereafter), why even be in the league?

[Mr. Colby]

Also, I hate to be one of the ones involved in what caused all this, but hopefully the way my contract situation was resolved is alright with all of you.

[Kraftster]

KS and idoit are it.

[Idoit40fans]

Mine are final per the google doc. copy paste isn't working...

id40 man up and set your roster. i'm for a penalty but we should have decided more than 8 hours before 1st pitch

Then more people should have weighed in on it when we've been discussing it.

I've been trying to get a penalty instituted for the past 3 seasons. Is it a coincidence that when one of the select few members that are active day-to-day in each of our 3 leagues started causing problems that something got done? I don't know, but something finally got done. Get over yourself.

[Idoit40fans]

Troy Tulowitzky SS 3
Evan Longoria 3B 4
Brian McCann C 2
C.C. Sabathia SP 2
Jonathan Broxton RP 2
Johan Santana SP 1
Adam Jones OF 1
Jair Jurrjens SP 2
Jason Heyward OF 2
Dan Uggla 2B 3
Jayson Werth OF 3
Drew Storen RP 4
Freddie Freeman 1B 3
Craig Kimbrel RP 4
Jonny Venters RP 1
Madison Bumgarner SP 4
Michael Bourn OF 4
Heath Bell RP 1
David Ortiz DH 1
Brandon Morrow SP 1
Erick Aybar SS 1
Carlos Lee 1B 1

Aroldis Chapman SP CIN
Edward Salcedo SS ATL
Brett Lawrie 3B TOR
Julio Teheran SP ATL
Arodys Vizcaino P ATL
Miguel Sano SS MIN
Dellin Betances SP NYY
Jake Odorizzi SP KC
Rubby De La Rosa SP LAD
Christian Bethancourt C ATL
Michael Choice OF OAK
Danny Hultzen SP SEA
Mason Williams OF NYY
Anthony Gose OF Rays
Cory Spangenberg 2B SD
Blake Swihart C BOS
Rymer Liriano OF SD
Greg Holland RP KC
Joe Terdoslavich 1B ATL
Chad Jenkins SP TOR

[Kraftster]

Yahoo! is the only fantasy service that does not have live roto scoring. Trying to see if I can whine about Yahoo! more than people whine about staying on Yahoo! when there's no good reason to do so.

[Idoit40fans]

There is no good reason to leave yahoo.

[Troy Loney]

I could get on Fan Trax at work...that was it's best feature

[beerman]

I'm trying to come up with any redeeming quality fantrax had and I've got nothing.

[Loaf31]

The ONLY thing that fantrax had was the ability to have your farm team right at your disposal.