NBA

Post by **shmenguin** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:03 pm

Factorial wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no one would have boycotted.
Why do you think that?

it's bad for their personal brand. and these guys are business first, everything else second. it's easy for them to say they would have, but in reality, their agents would be spending every waking moment telling them how bad it would be for their careers if they did so.

penscup · Post by **penscup** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:06 pm

Whitlock pretty much nails it here. A five year ban/suspension would have been far more appropriate I think.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10857 ... ur-culture" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"In our zeal to appear righteous or courageous or free of bigotry, a ratings-pleasing mob hell-bent on revenge turned Donald T. Sterling -- a victim of privacy invasion and white supremacy -- from villain to martyr."

"Mob rule is dangerous. Well-intentioned, TV-baited mobs are the most dangerous. They do not consider the consequences of their actions, and they're prone to take a simple-minded, instant-gratification approach to justice rather than a strategic one.
Removing Donald Sterling from the NBA solves nothing."

"A right to privacy is at the very foundation of American freedoms. It's a core value. It's a mistake to undermine a core value because we don't like the way a billionaire exercises it. What happens when a disgruntled lover gives TMZ a tape of a millionaire athlete expressing a homophobic or anti-Semitic or anti-white perspective?"

"The substantive meat of Sterling's Sex, Lies and Audiotape is his point about the culture that created his worldview. He is adhering to the standards of his peer group. He is adhering to the standards of the world he lives in. It's a world inhabited by all of us. It's a culture that shapes everyone's worldview on some level. It fuels the black self-hatred at the core of commercialized hip-hop culture, and is at the root of the NAACP's initial plan to twice honor an unrepentant bigot with a lifetime achievement award."

"Instead, the mainstream fanned the flames, enraging the angry black mob looking for a quick solution, a sacrificial lamb -- and now, by the end of the week, we'll be back to business as usual, pretending the stoning of Sterling harmed the culture that created him."

count2infinity · Post by **count2infinity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:08 pm

can't say I disagree with a single thing there...

Factorial · Post by **Factorial** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:20 pm

can't say I agree with a single thing there...

count2infinity · Post by **count2infinity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:23 pm

Factorial wrote:
can't say I agree with a single thing there...

Troy Loney · Post by **Troy Loney** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:24 pm

I have no idea what he's trying to say. You don't have to have cable to find Sterling despicable.

The issue isn't about privacy, it's how does the NBA ownership react to having a known bigot among it's ranks. Obvioulsy his error was allowing his idiotic thoughts to become public.

Factorial · Post by **Factorial** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:29 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Factorial wrote:
can't say I agree with a single thing there...

Did I leave my webcam on?

count2infinity · Post by **count2infinity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:35 pm

Whitlock is clearly just another white guy trying to justify racism.

Factorial · Post by **Factorial** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:36 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Whitlock is clearly just another white guy trying to justify racism.

I don't think that but he is wrong. It's not an either or.

Crankshaft · Post by **Crankshaft** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:36 pm

I can't tell if I'm feeling sympathetic for Donald Sterling or if I just don't like Troy Loney's stance on the matter. With that said, the guy just didn't "become" a bigot over night. The Clippers have one of the better teams in the NBA in the largest market in the US. The team is worth over a billion dollars. He was about to receive an award from the NAACP...again. The guy might be an idiot, but the reaction seems way overboard.

I wonder if the same people arguing this would be as fervent if it were a black player or executive making racist comments to a white person. I highly doubt it.

Or why aren't you people who are beating the racist drum also not berating Shaq for making fun of a physically disabled man? That's not as sexy of an argument as a rich black man making fun of a poor black disabled man. No white guilt there.

ulf · Post by **ulf** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:37 pm

MalkinIsMyHomeboy · Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:38 pm

count2infinity wrote:
Whitlock is clearly just another white guy trying to justify racism.

I wish I could hear you say this in real life so I could gauge if you're being sarcastic or not.

I hate the internet =(

Troy Loney · Post by **Troy Loney** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Crankshaft wrote:
I can't tell if I'm feeling sympathetic for Donald Sterling or if I just don't like Troy Loney's stance on the matter. With that said, the guy just didn't "become" a bigot over night. The Clippers have one of the better teams in the NBA in the largest market in the US. The team is worth over a billion dollars. He was about to receive an award from the NAACP...again. The guy might be an idiot, but the reaction seems way overboard.

I wonder if the same people arguing this would be as fervent if it were a black player or executive making racist comments to a white person. I highly doubt it.

Or why aren't you people who are beating the racist drum also not berating Shaq for making fun of a physically disabled man? That's not as sexy of an argument as a rich black man making fun of a poor black disabled man. No white guilt there.

Your just being a TL contrarian.

I don't like you either.

count2infinity · Post by **count2infinity** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:40 pm

MalkinIsMyHomeboy wrote:
count2infinity wrote:
Whitlock is clearly just another white guy trying to justify racism.

I wish I could hear you say this in real life so I could gauge if you're being sarcastic or not.

I hate the internet =(

the world may never know...

Spoiler:

Crankshaft · Post by **Crankshaft** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:41 pm

Troy Loney wrote:
Crankshaft wrote:
I can't tell if I'm feeling sympathetic for Donald Sterling or if I just don't like Troy Loney's stance on the matter. With that said, the guy just didn't "become" a bigot over night. The Clippers have one of the better teams in the NBA in the largest market in the US. The team is worth over a billion dollars. He was about to receive an award from the NAACP...again. The guy might be an idiot, but the reaction seems way overboard.

I wonder if the same people arguing this would be as fervent if it were a black player or executive making racist comments to a white person. I highly doubt it.

Or why aren't you people who are beating the racist drum also not berating Shaq for making fun of a physically disabled man? That's not as sexy of an argument as a rich black man making fun of a poor black disabled man. No white guilt there.

Your just being a TL contrarian.

I don't like you either.

Aw, I never said I don't like you

MalkinIsMyHomeboy · Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:42 pm

Crankshaft wrote:
Or why aren't you people who are beating the racist drum also not berating Shaq for making fun of a physically disabled man? That's not as sexy of an argument as a rich black man making fun of a poor black disabled man. No white guilt there.

Because these are very, extremely different stories. Sterling is a hell of a lot more consequential than Shaq.

Also, making fun of a single person is a lot different than calling a large group of people the "enemy"

Troy Loney · Post by **Troy Loney** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:42 pm

Crankshaft wrote:
Troy Loney wrote:
Crankshaft wrote:
I can't tell if I'm feeling sympathetic for Donald Sterling or if I just don't like Troy Loney's stance on the matter. With that said, the guy just didn't "become" a bigot over night. The Clippers have one of the better teams in the NBA in the largest market in the US. The team is worth over a billion dollars. He was about to receive an award from the NAACP...again. The guy might be an idiot, but the reaction seems way overboard.

I wonder if the same people arguing this would be as fervent if it were a black player or executive making racist comments to a white person. I highly doubt it.

Or why aren't you people who are beating the racist drum also not berating Shaq for making fun of a physically disabled man? That's not as sexy of an argument as a rich black man making fun of a poor black disabled man. No white guilt there.

Your just being a TL contrarian.

I don't like you either.
Aw, I never said I don't like you

Take back the skinny jeans comment, then we can be good.

ulf · Post by **ulf** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:42 pm

I don't know, have you seen shaq's LinkedIn?

Post by **tifosi77** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:47 pm

count2infinity wrote:
the riddler wrote:
What seemed shocking to me is that Sterling didn't seem at least apologetic about what he said. From what Silver said, it didn't sound like he was remorseful at all. Maybe there wasn't much for him to gain but I wonder if he would've been banned for life and forced out if he would've admitted it was him and that he is terribly wrong.
So I have yet to see exactly what he said... was it just "I don't want you posing for pictures with black guys" or "I don't want you going to games with black guys". Am I missing something here? Did he say something other than that to warrant a lifetime ban from the NBA?

I invite you to seek out the transcript. He gets rather verbose on the merits of one race over another.

I don't think what he said on the recording was enough to warrant the punishment, this is more a case Al Capone getting sent to jail for tax evasion. It's what they could prove.

Grunthy · Post by **Grunthy** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:50 pm

Whitlock is saying, yes the guy is a racist ******* and deserves some type of punishment, but was recorded without consent which is illegal.

So Sterling is a morally bankrupt, racist *****bag, but expressed his opinion privately. While someone recorded it illegally. Both parties involved are wrong, but for different reasons.

Post by **tifosi77** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:54 pm

shmenguin wrote:
no one would have boycotted.

Story being reported today is that if the punishment had been anything less than lifetime ban/forced sale the Golden State players (not the Clippers) were going to go through warmups, national anthem, starting lineup announcement, and tip off as normal, and then as soon as the ball was tossed all 15 of them were going to turn their backs and walk off the court.

Rylan · Post by **Rylan** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:57 pm

My thoughts are did Sterling use his position of power to further his racism? If he was/is able to separate his ill-conceived views from the business then I see an issue with his forced exit. The players said had they known, which means he was able to largely keep his personal beliefs out of his operations.

On the whole, I don't care if he loses his team or not. He is an old man with archaic views of a former perceived white aristocracy.

MalkinIsMyHomeboy · Post by **MalkinIsMyHomeboy** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:57 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no one would have boycotted.
Story being reported today is that if the punishment had been anything less than lifetime ban/forced sale the Golden State players (not the Clippers) were going to go through warmups, national anthem, starting lineup announcement, and tip off as normal, and then as soon as the ball was tossed all 15 of them were going to turn their backs and walk off the court.

The bottom 7 could've just stayed home and no one would've noticed.

Rylan · Post by **Rylan** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:58 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no one would have boycotted.
Story being reported today is that if the punishment had been anything less than lifetime ban/forced sale the Golden State players (not the Clippers) were going to go through warmups, national anthem, starting lineup announcement, and tip off as normal, and then as soon as the ball was tossed all 15 of them were going to turn their backs and walk off the court.

And what does this prove? This is a second wrong not making a right.

Post by **shmenguin** » Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:59 pm

tifosi77 wrote:
shmenguin wrote:
no one would have boycotted.
Story being reported today is that if the punishment had been anything less than lifetime ban/forced sale the Golden State players (not the Clippers) were going to go through warmups, national anthem, starting lineup announcement, and tip off as normal, and then as soon as the ball was tossed all 15 of them were going to turn their backs and walk off the court.

in the spirit of "easy to say. hard to actually do", i call shenanigans.

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