ISIS Crisis

[Willie Kool]

America releases terrorists back onto the battle field and Jordan executes these POS's.


Kill em all

I actually tend to agree. I don't think 'reform' is very likely for the true believer who kills because he believes his religion / God commands it.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

It's a lose-lose cycle.

We go in there, kick ass, give people guns and leave. People with the guns are pissed because we killed so many innocents, start new regime.

This isn't new. This cycle has literally been going on since pre-Judaism

[shafnutz05]

It's a lose-lose cycle.

We go in there, kick ass, give people guns and leave. People with the guns are pissed because we killed so many innocents, start new regime.

This isn't new. This cycle has literally been going on since pre-Judaism

[Ad@m]

Sajida al-Rishawi and another Jordanian prisoner, Ziad Karbouli, have been executed, hanged to death at dawn.

[The U]

The production value here is insane. The time, energy, effort, and sophistication of putting that video together. Wow. I guess he was killed 4 weeks ago and they had time to put it together.

If things continue this way I think "military advisors" and drone strikes will no longer be sufficient.

[Gaucho]

It's a lose-lose cycle.

We go in there, kick ass, give people guns and leave. People with the guns are pissed because we killed so many innocents, start new regime.

This isn't new. This cycle has literally been going on since pre-Judaism

The sad thing is some people actually believe this.

[Digitalgypsy66]

Some thought that burning a presumably Muslim alive might turn "Arab Street" away from supporting ISIS. I'm down with that.

[Troy Loney]

America releases terrorists back onto the battle field and Jordan executes these POS's.


Kill em all

I actually tend to agree. I don't think 'reform' is very likely for the true believer who kills because he believes his religion / God commands it.

Should probably be pointed out that Jordan was going/willing to release three ISIS prisoners here to get the pilot back. The release of the video coincided with the Jordanians demand for proof of life, but it seems ISIS executed that poor soul months ago.

There was some backlash in Jordan demanding that they respond, with some violence and rioting i think. This situation is a mess, there's no right answers.

[DelPen]

Yup, some people in Jordan feel if they didn't get involved this man would still be alive. They are half right. He would be alive right now but Jordan understands that they will eventually be invaded like Iraq and Syria have been and more than just one pilot will be brutally murdered. It's a lose-lose situation unfortunately.

[The U]

^^ In regards to the potential swap of hostages/prisoners, this was a case of Jordan calling ISIS' bluff. They knew the pilot had already been killed.

Japanese hostage 1 was killed after the Japanese govt refused to pay the 300 million ransom.

Japanese hostage 2 was then held for an additional week as a bargaining chip. ISIS asked Japan for the prisoners being held by Jordan. That's how Jordan became involved.

Jordan (knowing full well that their pilot was already dead) called ISIS' bluff and asked for proof of life before they would engage in any hostage exchange talks. ISIS obviously couldn't provide this. That was the end of it.

[shafnutz05]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after ... le/2559770" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Members of the House Armed Services Committee met with Jordan's King Abdullah Tuesday not long after news broke that ISIS had burned to death a Jordanian pilot captured in the fight against the terrorist group. In a private session with lawmakers, the king showed an extraordinary measure of anger — anger which he expressed by citing American movie icon Clint Eastwood.

"He said there is going to be retribution like ISIS hasn't seen," said Republican Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr., a Marine Corps veteran of two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan, who was in the meeting with the king. "He mentioned 'Unforgiven' and he mentioned Clint Eastwood, and he actually quoted a part of the movie."

Hunter would not say which part of "Unforgiven" the king quoted, but noted it was where Eastwood's character describes how he is going to deliver his retribution. There is a scene in the picture in which Eastwood's character, William Munny, says, "Any man I see out there, I'm gonna kill him. Any son of a ***** takes a shot at me, I'm not only going to kill him, I'm going to kill his wife and all his friends and burn his damn house down."

[columbia]

Please do.

[The U]

With the pilot being from the same tribe/clan as the royal family, his murder is being seen as basically a crime committed against a family member.

It should be interesting to see the response.

[mac5155]

UNFORGIVABLE

[Gaucho]

As I said, the moment ISIS ****s with the wrong people, they're toast.

[newarenanow]

I just want these people to follow through.

[MalkinIsMyHomeboy]

too bad he didn't quote Dirty Harry

[SolidSnake]

No Gran Torino quotes?

[Digitalgypsy66]

Speaking of Unforgiven, I need to re-watch that soon.

[tifosi77]

With the pilot being from the same tribe/clan as the royal family, his murder is being seen as basically a crime committed against a family member.

It should be interesting to see the response.

The analysis and commentary I've read on this (which isn't a whole lot, tbh) has all been coming to more or less the same conclusion: ISIL has overplayed their hand, and have poked a sleeping giant in the eye with a pointed stick.

Not that Jordan is some powerhouse or anything. But the 'sleeping giant' in that statement is not Jordan, but rather it is Sunni Muslims living in the Middle East who have an interest in living in modern society.

Fundamentalist wackos have rested under a shade tree of *nudge-wink* passive non-resistance from largely Sunni populations for decades. It is what has allowed their virus to grow and mutate over the years, and goes back to what Shaf and I and others have been saying: The 'moderate Muslim' has a belief set that is far closer to ISIL's worldview than anyone really wants to admit, even if their willingness to act on those views might be less. They aren't moderate in their beliefs, just in their (in)action. Now that they've up and murdered with fire someone considered to be a member of the Jordanian royal family, it is stirring the once passively accepting crowd to become a good bit less accepting of the fringe.

Honestly, if true, this can be nothing but good news. The West stands next to no chance of combating ISIL and their like, because it's an ideological battle. What has to change is the acceptance of a 7th century world view, and the attendant nonsense that comes with it. And that can only come from within the local populations.

[Geezer]

With the pilot being from the same tribe/clan as the royal family, his murder is being seen as basically a crime committed against a family member.

It should be interesting to see the response.

The analysis and commentary I've read on this (which isn't a whole lot, tbh) has all been coming to more or less the same conclusion: ISIL has overplayed their hand, and have poked a sleeping giant in the eye with a pointed stick.

Not that Jordan is some powerhouse or anything. But the 'sleeping giant' in that statement is not Jordan, but rather it is Sunni Muslims living in the Middle East who have an interest in living in modern society.

Fundamentalist wackos have rested under a shade tree of *nudge-wink* passive non-resistance from largely Sunni populations for decades. It is what has allowed their virus to grow and mutate over the years, and goes back to what Shaf and I and others have been saying: The 'moderate Muslim' has a belief set that is far closer to ISIL's worldview than anyone really wants to admit, even if their willingness to act on those views might be less. They aren't moderate in their beliefs, just in their (in)action. Now that they've up and murdered with fire someone considered to be a member of the Jordanian royal family, it is stirring the once passively accepting crowd to become a good bit less accepting of the fringe.

Honestly, if true, this can be nothing but good news. The West stands next to no chance of combating ISIL and their like, because it's an ideological battle. What has to change is the acceptance of a 7th century world view, and the attendant nonsense that comes with it. And that can only come from within the local populations.

There may be some credence to the view that this was an ISIS tactic to draw Jordan into the fundementalist inferno. There are a couple thousand Jordanians fighting for ISIS. Jordan also has a large Palestinian population and Syrian refugees that are anti-western, anti-American and ardent Jew-haters. It's a tough place to keep a lid on.
Not disagreeing with anything you stated but I think a major flaw from our admin is that a "majority of Muslims' oppose ISIS. That may be true of some of the more extreme violence but I'm not sure that a majority of Muslims are not in favor of the establishment of caliphates, the extermination of Israel , keeping the barefoot,head-bagged & pregant status of females along with the removal of western influence from muslim countries.
The real disappointment to me is the blind eye from Turkey in allowing ISIS to operate near their borders.Theoretically Turkey is a part of NATO but Edrogan has "de-secularized" Turkey and seems to be more interested to see Kurds defeated and kept under a Turkish thumb than in opposing ISIS. I'd like to see NATO give Edrogan a month to change their ways or get booted from NATO.
I think the is the ready acceptance of extreme violence to accomplish fundementalist views has become the problem. The agreement with such views seems quite widespread.

[tifosi77]

There may be some credence to the view that this was an ISIS tactic to draw Jordan into the fundementalist inferno.

There was a guy on Sirius this morning (a caller) who stated this. His opinion was that fundamentalist groups like ISIL can't really exist in a conflict-free world. They need to constantly be engaged with someone to bolster their recruiting. Things have not really been going their way as the U.S. led air campaign has been achieving some success (largely through attriting the bad guys), and so going at Jordan is another way for them to accomplish their goal. We shall see.

[Willie Kool]

I'd like to see NATO give Edrogan a month to change their ways or get booted from NATO.

I understand the frustration, but that would be extremely counterproductive.

[Willie Kool]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/02/ ... JR20150204

"While all efforts must be made to counter terrorism and hold the perpetrators accountable...

The European position against death penalty remains unchanged and we believe capital punishment does not serve any deterrent purpose."

Typical soff Euros.

It certainly deters the executed from ever killing again.

[shafnutz05]

Seems an utterly bizarre and ill-timed statement from the EU...I mean OK, we understand your position on capital punishment, but you really are going to take the time to criticize Jordan in this instance? Oy.

Certainly will add more fuel to the fire that the EU is sitting idly by, as a sleeping dragon in the form of Islamic extremism continues to grow like a cancer in countries like Sweden, France, and elsewhere.