2023 Non-Penguins Related Thread

[FLPensFan]

I'll politely agree to disagree.

[Daniel]

I'll politely agree to disagree.

I have no issues with that. Respectful discussion and neither of us make the call.

[DelPen]

You could hear a pin drop on the Isles goals in Carolina, I guess Isles fans don’t travel or spread out in general from Nassau County.

[Pitts]

Just to add, this is where your argument loses weight “its dirty because McCann isn’t expecting the hit” (or at least how I’m taking your post). Why isn’t he expecting the hit when the play was ongoing?

Because he had clearly shot the puck and it never came back into the play. Again, I say Makar is not that dumb, he saw the shot. Both players can assume that either the goalie has the puck, it is out of play, or went around the other side of the boards since it is nowhere near them. So, McCann, thinking that particular play is over, let's up assuming Makar is as well. Makar decides to lay the unnecessary hit instead.

[Pitts]

I still say Gibson is our guy
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[Puck-Lurker]

Just to add, this is where your argument loses weight “its dirty because McCann isn’t expecting the hit” (or at least how I’m taking your post). Why isn’t he expecting the hit when the play was ongoing?

Because he had clearly shot the puck and it never came back into the play. Again, I say Makar is not that dumb, he saw the shot. Both players can assume that either the goalie has the puck, it is out of play, or went around the other side of the boards since it is nowhere near them. So, McCann, thinking that particular play is over, let's up assuming Makar is as well. Makar decides to lay the unnecessary hit instead.

I thought it was a dirty hit the first time I saw it. A few replays didn't change my mind. Watched it again just now, that doesn't belong in hockey.

It's interference - probably boarding too - with a (provisional) intent to injure McCann. Makar is a good enough defenceman to know the play was dead and done, but he goes ahead with it anyway. He can see fans trying to catch the puck for crying out loud. And a full second after, he hits McCann. You can't do that and expect players to not suffer major head injuries.

Should have been a major penalty, match misconduct and 3 game suspension for my money. That's a really bad hit - and just garbage refereeing and worse from the officials after the hearing.

[Skatingpen]

This obsession with Gibson is crazy. If he was not a Pittsburgh guy I don’t think this would be the case. There has to be better options

[Pitts]

This obsession with Gibson is crazy. If he was not a Pittsburgh guy I don’t think this would be the case. There has to be better options

There isn't.

[Antonio]

I'd rather no option than a bad one because there aren't any better options.

[PaLionking]

It’s interesting how many times the refs review a hit, determine it is not worthy of a major or ejection, and then the league calls a hearing and suspends the player afterward. Disconnect between the refs and the Dept of Player Safety? Or maybe an after the fact judgement call
based on the reaction by the team, fans, and media?

I think a suspension is terrible since Makar had no way to know the puck was out of play. Notice when the whistle occured. I think the refs are more responsible for not blowing the whistle than Makar is for playing to the whistle. I imagine the refs changed it to a 2 minute minor......because Makar played to the whistle.

Shot came at 8:21 and puck in netting at 8:24, same time as the hit. What Makar did was part of the game of play. It either took 3 seconds for the puck to get to the net or 3 seconds for the ref to blow the whistle, either way Makar hit McCann at the same time the play ended.

What does the whistle have to do with it? It was a blatant late hit with head contact. Clear interference. Certainly warrants a suspension.

The whistle has everything to do with it. The play is literally ongoing until the whistle sounds, which happened right after the hit. How was it a late hit when it happened while the clock was still running (for a split second longer)? If we’re going this route, people need to get a penalty or suspended for whacking the goal when the puck is under his pads, which they do until the whistle blows.

Play until the whistle is why the whistle has everything to do with this. BTW, the 2 minute minor was an accurate call but should have been the end of the situation.

It was not a hit to the head, the shoulder never hit McCann’s head. The 55 second mark clearly shows the shoulder is nowhere near the head and the stick might have tapped his nose. The hit looked more vicious because McCann didn’t play to the whistle….which again signifies the end of the play.

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So if that hit happened in center ice 3 seconds after the puck was passed or shot then you'd be OK with the hit because there would have been no whistle. McCann wasn't eligible to be hit as he didn't have the puck for 3 seconds. Doesn't matter if the whistle blows or not. Normally they'll give you a second after getting rid of the puck to be hit but 3 seconds is way to much time after getting rid of the puck regardless of where it went unless it comes off the boards right back to McCann. If Crosby would get hit 3 seconds after passing the puck like that people would be up in arms.

[Skatingpen]

This obsession with Gibson is crazy. If he was not a Pittsburgh guy I don’t think this would be the case. There has to be better options

There isn't.


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Lol!

[FLPensFan]

This obsession with Gibson is crazy. If he was not a Pittsburgh guy I don’t think this would be the case. There has to be better options

There isn't.

Gibson is still a gamble. Has his game suffered because he's been stuck on a bad team as stars retired and moved on (Getzlaf, Perry, Lindholm, Rakell, etc, etc) and the young guys don't defend as well, or has his game already started to decline at his age. I would hope that if we acquired him, our goalie development and scouts spot things to say his poor play is more the former than the latter.

Gibson has been up and down the past few years, but, Anaheim has a whole has given up the 3rd most goals in the league over those 4 years. That isn't all on the goalie.

Finally, if it came down to Gibson or Saros, Saros appears to be the better goalie now, however, his cost to acquire is also going to be considerably higher. Gibson you might be able to get for Jarry and a 3rd at this point (with guarantee Ducks could sign Jarry). The cost doesn't seem like it is outlandish and that Ducks may be ready to move on and just find a cheaper option to pair with Dostal. Saros sounds more like a 1st or a high prospect as part of a package to get him in a trade.

So it comes down to...do the experts think Gibson is better than his play has been in Anaheim, and what is the cost to acquire?

[penny lane]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

[offsides]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

Yep, looked nice. Florida surprising me and doing much better than we would have.

[FLPensFan]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

Yep, looked nice. Florida surprising me and doing much better than we would have.

Too bad Barkov has missed the whole series...

[offsides]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

Yep, looked nice. Florida surprising me and doing much better than we would have.

Too bad Barkov has missed the whole series...

At least he has 3 assists. Best part for me was Bobrovsky stopping Marchand on a last second break away to get to OT.

[FLPensFan]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

Yep, looked nice. Florida surprising me and doing much better than we would have.

Too bad Barkov has missed the whole series...

At least he has 3 assists. Best part for me was Bobrovsky stopping Marchand on a last second break away to get to OT.

Yep, that was a season saving save by Bob.

Same criticism for Barkov that I've had for Sid and Geno during this string of 1st round exits....you can't be an 8-10M player with only 5 assists in 5 games. Barkov makes 10M a year. He's got to be able to put pucks in the net. He's got assists, but he really hasn't shown an ounce of dominance in any game. Guys like Tkachuk and Bennett, meanwhile, have been going full out every shift of every game.

[ville5]

- Bjugstad, 2 goals? In ONE GAME???
- Kraken with the Avs on the ropes?
What is going on in the NH of L?

[stonewizard51]

Seattle is playing like they want to win the series. They have a shot at winning the series at home. I hope they do just that.

[Puck-Lurker]

Seattle is playing like they want to win the series. They have a shot at winning the series at home. I hope they do just that.

Seattle's in this series to win it. Have been since the playoffs started.

More amazingly, we're 37 games into the playoffs, without any team advancing. Maybe Toronto or Vegas gets it done tonight, but I wouldn't be surprised if all series went to game 6.

It's a fun playoffs so far, all things considered.

[murphydump55]

It’s interesting how many times the refs review a hit, determine it is not worthy of a major or ejection, and then the league calls a hearing and suspends the player afterward. Disconnect between the refs and the Dept of Player Safety? Or maybe an after the fact judgement call
based on the reaction by the team, fans, and media?

I think a suspension is terrible since Makar had no way to know the puck was out of play. Notice when the whistle occured. I think the refs are more responsible for not blowing the whistle than Makar is for playing to the whistle. I imagine the refs changed it to a 2 minute minor......because Makar played to the whistle.

Shot came at 8:21 and puck in netting at 8:24, same time as the hit. What Makar did was part of the game of play. It either took 3 seconds for the puck to get to the net or 3 seconds for the ref to blow the whistle, either way Makar hit McCann at the same time the play ended.

What does the whistle have to do with it? It was a blatant late hit with head contact. Clear interference. Certainly warrants a suspension.

The whistle has everything to do with it. The play is literally ongoing until the whistle sounds, which happened right after the hit. How was it a late hit when it happened while the clock was still running (for a split second longer)? If we’re going this route, people need to get a penalty or suspended for whacking the goal when the puck is under his pads, which they do until the whistle blows.

Play until the whistle is why the whistle has everything to do with this. BTW, the 2 minute minor was an accurate call but should have been the end of the situation.

It was not a hit to the head, the shoulder never hit McCann’s head. The 55 second mark clearly shows the shoulder is nowhere near the head and the stick might have tapped his nose. The hit looked more vicious because McCann didn’t play to the whistle….which again signifies the end of the play.

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The problem is not your argument about the whistle. The problem with your argument is that McCann never possess the puck after his shot, even while there is no whistle yet. It's nowhere near him. Makar gave him a little shove right next to the net. Baby shove...nothing wrong there. And if the puck came off the glass, and fell to McCann's feet as Makar was hitting him...I'd have no problem with the hit. But the puck never returns to McCann. We never see it again in this play.

It's blatant, textbook interference. You cannot throw a check like that on someone who does not have the puck. And because he doesn't have the puck, McCann isn't expecting a hit. It's a dirty, unnecessary play by Makar.

This!

I've said it before and I'll say it again. How many injuries occur by hits when the puck is nowhere around? Tons. These guys "finishing" their checks well after the puck has vacated, almost always results in injuries.

[Sams_Dog]

If a poll were taken among the NHL board of governors, the GMs, coaches and the players and they were asked “What do you think should be the biggest factor in a team winning the Stanley Cup: having the most skill or having the most toughness to survive the physical
Punishment of the playoffs?” Have to choose one. What do you think the majority would say? I think probably 80+% would pick the second option. That mentality is what keeps holding the game back and is why we see so many nasty hits (and reduced penalties and non calls) in the playoffs. It happens every year.

[murphydump55]

Matthew Tkachuk has a pretty good backhand in OT for the win in Boston!

Yep, looked nice. Florida surprising me and doing much better than we would have.

I actually took them in a pool. Their style "could" give Boston trouble because of their chip and chase and neutral zone play. They didn't look very good last night, in fact they looked downright awful. The biggest issue was going to be special teams. Their PK stinks and Boston's PP is great, also vice versa. Boston's PK shines and gives them fits most times.

They chased all night long and I don't think they won one friggin board battle. Boston came out with EVERY puck it seemed. Paul Maurice needs to go. How do you fire Brunette who had a great season (yes swept in the playoffs) and bring in Maurice who is a lifetime loser? They BARELY made playoffs after dominating last season.

Maurice has had 23 seasons and only 9 has he made the playoffs. He's been past the 2nd round 3 times. Why does he keep getting jobs? Because he won 1 Cup? Give me a break, he's the losing-est coach in NHL history. Can him.

[murphydump55]

If a poll were taken among the NHL board of governors, the GMs, coaches and the players and they were asked “What do you think should be the biggest factor in a team winning the Stanley Cup: having the most skill or having the most toughness to survive the physical
Punishment of the playoffs?” Have to choose one. What do you think the majority would say? I think probably 80+% would pick the second option. That mentality is what keeps holding the game back and is why we see so many nasty hits (and reduced penalties and non calls) in the playoffs. It happens every year.

Luck and health. You need a lot of both to win the Cup.

[ville5]

This obsession with Gibson is crazy. If he was not a Pittsburgh guy I don’t think this would be the case. There has to be better options

There isn't.


8-)

Gibson is still a gamble. Has his game suffered because he's been stuck on a bad team as stars retired and moved on (Getzlaf, Perry, Lindholm, Rakell, etc, etc) and the young guys don't defend as well, or has his game already started to decline at his age. I would hope that if we acquired him, our goalie development and scouts spot things to say his poor play is more the former than the latter.

Gibson has been up and down the past few years, but, Anaheim has a whole has given up the 3rd most goals in the league over those 4 years. That isn't all on the goalie.

Finally, if it came down to Gibson or Saros, Saros appears to be the better goalie now, however, his cost to acquire is also going to be considerably higher. Gibson you might be able to get for Jarry and a 3rd at this point (with guarantee Ducks could sign Jarry). The cost doesn't seem like it is outlandish and that Ducks may be ready to move on and just find a cheaper option to pair with Dostal. Saros sounds more like a 1st or a high prospect as part of a package to get him in a trade.

So it comes down to...do the experts think Gibson is better than his play has been in Anaheim, and what is the cost to acquire?

We've seen goalies, Price most recently from my memory, bounce back from a few subpar seasons.
With 4 more seasons would Anaheim be willing to retain at all? I have my doubts.
Maybe Granlund, POJ/Smith, one of our goalie prospects and something for Gibson at $5.4 and something. Would that entice them.
This would be dependent on upgrading CSD though.