The Jarry Problem

[DelPen]

I expect to have three goalies on the trip since we would still be under the cap and have one roster spot open with Lizotte still on IR.

The only reason to send Blomqvist down over Jarry is to save $800k in payroll. We would be better off against the cap by sending Jarry to the AHL and be better off in net.

[Antonio]

We would be better off against the cap by sending Jarry into the sun and be better off in net.

Fixed.

[IntangibleBeer]

I’m with Puck-Lurker. I don’t want Jarry on the roster either, even at $1M. I would bet he’s a negative in the locker room as well.

Trade him for a bag of pucks (if possible) with 50% retained, send him to WBS, put him on waivers - just bite the bullet and get rid of him. I don’t think a sports psychologist will help, but it might be time for a Hail Mary.

That said, I realize the other options at the time of his signing were all variations of “spicy pork and broccoli”.

But the term and NMC????

[KG]

[Daniel]

I honestly wonder how much of the Jarry problem is Mike Sullivan. Yes he's playing bad but if his issues are mental could it be that Sullivan's leadership has created a toxic environment for some players?

[FLPensFan]

I honestly wonder how much of the Jarry problem is Mike Sullivan. Yes he's playing bad but if his issues are mental could it be that Sullivan's leadership has created a toxic environment for some players?

I don't think it's a Sullivan problem. Jarry's issues have been more than just playing bad. There have been rumors for several years of not really being the strongest, most committed goalie in terms of practice. I also believe that when Jarry was struggling over the last few years, he hasn't been the most receptive to suggestions to fix his game. I don't know to what extent, like, I don't think he flat out refused or was rude, but just throwing this out as a completely hypothetical random possibility....Chiodo works with Jarry and says reverse-VH technique isn't working well for him, he should go back to standard VH technique. Jarry and Chiodo work on it in a few practices, next game...Jarry's in there still using reverse VH technique instead of what was practiced.

That's the type of feeling I got when this was discussed in the past. It just seems like Jarry doesn't necessarily have the mental toughness or mindset at all, which is different than having something get in his head and affect his game mentally. I don't think the former can really be fixed.

[Puck-Lurker]

I honestly wonder how much of the Jarry problem is Mike Sullivan. Yes he's playing bad but if his issues are mental could it be that Sullivan's leadership has created a toxic environment for some players?

I don't think it's a Sullivan problem. Jarry's issues have been more than just playing bad. There have been rumors for several years of not really being the strongest, most committed goalie in terms of practice. I also believe that when Jarry was struggling over the last few years, he hasn't been the most receptive to suggestions to fix his game. I don't know to what extent, like, I don't think he flat out refused or was rude, but just throwing this out as a completely hypothetical random possibility....Chiodo works with Jarry and says reverse-VH technique isn't working well for him, he should go back to standard VH technique. Jarry and Chiodo work on it in a few practices, next game...Jarry's in there still using reverse VH technique instead of what was practiced.

That's the type of feeling I got when this was discussed in the past. It just seems like Jarry doesn't necessarily have the mental toughness or mindset at all, which is different than having something get in his head and affect his game mentally. I don't think the former can really be fixed.

Years ago, Jarry let in a rolling puck coming his way. Completely whiffed it. A howler as things go, just a step below an own goal as blunders go.

His response to it.. just a weird nervous laugh and an awkward shrug. Might sound funny, but that was a huge red flag for me at the time, he has worried me ever since. There was a period where he looked every bit the borderline All Star pick. But we've gone down hill.. I don't think he'll ever be a starter for anyone, even as a backup I think he's cooked.

A team might take a flier on him at league minimum if he were UFA, but that's about it. Ship sailed and sunk.

[Maestro]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

[ahawk9]

Was thinking about Elvis Merzļikins for Jarry. Both struggling, similar contracts (except, and this is big, Elvis's has one less year than Jarry's does), and similar lockerroom unpopularity. Trade with the Jackets, throw in a lower-round pick to make up for that extra year. Either Elvis rebounds and they can use him, or he doesn't but is easier to deal/waive/buy out because there's one less year to worry about.

[largegarlic]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

Is that being proposed by a Detroit or Pittsburgh fan? Because as a Pens fan, that seems lopsided in our favor. Get rid of Jarry and Graves and get a 2nd back? I know it has the Pens taking back some big questionable contracts in Chiarot and Copp, but they're shorter deals than Jarry or Graves.

[largegarlic]

Was thinking about Elvis Merzļikins for Jarry. Both struggling, similar contracts (except, and this is big, Elvis's has one less year than Jarry's does), and similar lockerroom unpopularity. Trade with the Jackets, throw in a lower-round pick to make up for that extra year. Either Elvis rebounds and they can use him, or he doesn't but is easier to deal/waive/buy out because there's one less year to worry about.

I think trading Jarry for another bad contract is the best option, but I'd prefer not to trade him for another goalie. Let Nedjelkovic and Blomqvist be the tandem, and Larsson or Murashov can get a shot in case of injury. I'd rather take back a d-man or forward on a bad deal.

[Pitts]

Athletic has Jarry ranked 5th worst goalie contract in the NHL: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/586070 ... contracts/

Extenuating circumstances: It feels unlikely he could be traded right now, and with the way the deal is structured, it doesn’t make sense to be bought out. Alex Nedeljkovic has the net right now after taking over No. 1 duties late last year, but he’s never been established as the guy in the past and Jarry may well get more chances to right himself here.

Verdict: It’s a bit early to call this one unsalvageable, but it could well be headed that way if he doesn’t start playing better. He may be a waivers candidate at some point this season — and I doubt he’d get claimed.

[Pens4Life]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

We would get much older again, but on other hand, our window is closing down anyway and these guys are all on shorter deals, Talbot, Chiarot this and next season only, Copp is problem with one year longer deal.. overall not a bad trade imho.. but I would like to get a struggling F and D for Jarry and Graves.. under 30 on short term deals even if we have to include draft pick

[Admin]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

"The website PuckPedia‘s PuckGM tool lets users create their own trades. One user proposed a deal..." In other words, not happening.

[FLPensFan]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

Is that being proposed by a Detroit or Pittsburgh fan? Because as a Pens fan, that seems lopsided in our favor. Get rid of Jarry and Graves and get a 2nd back? I know it has the Pens taking back some big questionable contracts in Chiarot and Copp, but they're shorter deals than Jarry or Graves.

I'm not sure who made the trade proposal (seems like a Pens fan), but the analysis is definitely a Detroit fan. I could tell as soon as I read this "The defenseman could replace Chiarot and help solidify the Red Wings blue line."

I think in the end, if this was the only deal out there for Jarry, I'd take it because we move on from Graves and Jarry, who have more term. But it just creates new problems. Chiarot and Copp have both struggled this year. Copp is being paid more than Bryan Rust, and he's surpassed 40 points only once, and never had a 20 goal or more season, his highest is 15 like 5 years ago. Adding Copp just complicates an already jammed packed forward lineup. Chiarot doesn't really improve things for us. He's physical but slow, and will make mistakes just like Graves. Adding another goalie like Talbot doesn't help us much either.

In this deal, Detroit gets the most "useful" player in Jarry, assuming he turns things around. The rest is simply a shuffling of underperforming bad contracts where nobody wins. I guess getting a 2nd and a 4th for a 3rd and a 7th is a win too. I'd also rather retain the 750K on Jarry for 3 more years rather than Graves for 4 more years.

[Admin]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/nhl-rumo ... h-penguins

Nothing really new on the Jarry front. Suggestion to waive him and "hope a struggling club like the Colorado Avalanche claims him or that an extended stay in the minors help him regain his confidence."

Has his current 12 team no trade list been divulged?

Yohe has suggested buying him out after this season:
https://puckpedia.com/player/tristan-ja ... =2025-2026

[ahawk9]

Might be the way to go. Malkin will be off the books after next season. I'm assuming MP & Eller and maybe Bunting go for picks this deadline, EK maybe in the summer. Even if not, there will be enough cap space to absorb buyout money. They'll have 2 years of a higher hit (from what I see on the chart in Yohe's story) but it really shouldn't hamper them in any way. If there are no trade partners, and if nobody claims him off waivers (why would they?), rip it off like a band-aid and buy him out.

[Maestro]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

We would get much older again, but on other hand, our window is closing down anyway and these guys are all on shorter deals, Talbot, Chiarot this and next season only, Copp is problem with one year longer deal.. overall not a bad trade imho.. but I would like to get a struggling F and D for Jarry and Graves.. under 30 on short term deals even if we have to include draft pick

Yeah, the shorter deals is why it sounded appealing to me.

[Maestro]

Interesting trade proposal for once:

https://heavy.com/sports/nhl/detroit-re ... ins-jarry/

Is that being proposed by a Detroit or Pittsburgh fan? Because as a Pens fan, that seems lopsided in our favor. Get rid of Jarry and Graves and get a 2nd back? I know it has the Pens taking back some big questionable contracts in Chiarot and Copp, but they're shorter deals than Jarry or Graves.

Not sure, but for the reasons you laid out I assumed a Pens fan. But a large “change of scenery” deal makes sense.

[Daniel]

I honestly wonder how much of the Jarry problem is Mike Sullivan. Yes he's playing bad but if his issues are mental could it be that Sullivan's leadership has created a toxic environment for some players?

I don't think it's a Sullivan problem. Jarry's issues have been more than just playing bad. There have been rumors for several years of not really being the strongest, most committed goalie in terms of practice. I also believe that when Jarry was struggling over the last few years, he hasn't been the most receptive to suggestions to fix his game. I don't know to what extent, like, I don't think he flat out refused or was rude, but just throwing this out as a completely hypothetical random possibility....Chiodo works with Jarry and says reverse-VH technique isn't working well for him, he should go back to standard VH technique. Jarry and Chiodo work on it in a few practices, next game...Jarry's in there still using reverse VH technique instead of what was practiced.

That's the type of feeling I got when this was discussed in the past. It just seems like Jarry doesn't necessarily have the mental toughness or mindset at all, which is different than having something get in his head and affect his game mentally. I don't think the former can really be fixed.

It probably is Jarry but my point was did the downfall start because he tuned out Sullivan or because things are toxic in the lockerroom or did the downfall start because Jarry got too big of a head. It could very well be that Jarry got a big head because he's the starter and didn't want to change, but weren't we reading the same thing about Murray too? Haven't we discussed for years that other players (cough Letang cough) seem to do what they want on the ice?

We've discussed for years the seemingly different sets of rules for specific players so who knows how that affects other people right?

[FLPensFan]

The Athletic listed their worst goalie contracts today, Jarry was #5 on the list. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/586070 ... contracts/

In a trade with Detroit, I think simpler may be better. Trade Jarry with 25% retained (1.343M retained) and Minnesota's 2025 3rd for Ville Husso and Detroit's 2025 2nd. Detroit gets Jarry at a reduced price, and more term (which could be good or bad). Pittsburgh gets another goalie that they can bury in the minors, and his contract is off the books this summer.

Retaining 1.34M on Jarry for this year and 3 more isn't ideal...but it is still much less dead money than a buyout next summer.

[KG]

This can go in either the Jarry Problem or Sully Problem thread...Sully thinks he's above these sill questions...

[100565]

If they retain salary on Jarry, then they could not retain on anyone else this year, right?

They don’t need the cap space now; I’d rather waive him.

[KG]

If they retain salary on Jarry, then they could not retain on anyone else this year, right?

They don’t need the cap space now; I’d rather waive him.

Correct. We already are retaining on 2 contracts. Petry and Smith.

I would hold onto the last retention slot to get the most value back for an MP trade.

[pfim]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/nhl-rumo ... h-penguins

Nothing really new on the Jarry front. Suggestion to waive him and "hope a struggling club like the Colorado Avalanche claims him or that an extended stay in the minors help him regain his confidence."

Has his current 12 team no trade list been divulged?

Yohe has suggested buying him out after this season:
https://puckpedia.com/player/tristan-ja ... =2025-2026

I thought being on this trip was just to give him a lift back home to Vancouver?