The Jarry Problem

[Puck-Lurker]

https://thehockeynews.com/news/nhl-rumo ... h-penguins

Nothing really new on the Jarry front. Suggestion to waive him and "hope a struggling club like the Colorado Avalanche claims him or that an extended stay in the minors help him regain his confidence."

Has his current 12 team no trade list been divulged?

Yohe has suggested buying him out after this season:
https://puckpedia.com/player/tristan-ja ... =2025-2026

I thought being on this trip was just to give him a lift back home to Vancouver?

Oh no, definitely don't buy him out.

If nothing changes meaningfully, keep him buried in the minors and don't play him in the AHL. Maybe offer to send him to Wheeling, so he can play some games, as backup goaltender. I'm sure he'll have lots of options as a 33yo UFA with advanced nacho metrics and some ECHL games.

Meanwhile promote Blomqvist to #2 status. Murashov and Larsson to get a look if Ned/Blom gets injured.

Upset at Jarry 3 years ago. Disappointed in him 2 years ago. Done with Jarry last year. I'm ready to be completely petty and vindictive at this stage.

[Pitts]

From Yohe's latest mailbag, the year he is referencing in this quote is 2018.

I asked Fleury during that season how he was putting up such strong numbers on an expansion team. His response: “Well, you know, I’m not in Pittsburgh anymore, so I don’t see breakaways and two-on-ones all game.”

That says a lot regarding the state of ALL the current goaltenders.

[Daniel]

From Yohe's latest mailbag, the year he is referencing in this quote is 2018.

I asked Fleury during that season how he was putting up such strong numbers on an expansion team. His response: “Well, you know, I’m not in Pittsburgh anymore, so I don’t see breakaways and two-on-ones all game.”

That says a lot regarding the state of ALL the current goaltenders.

I think the difference is the goalies now are seeing even more AND the offense doesn't have the ability to cover by scoring more. And....Mike Sullivan should be fired.

[KG]

[Puck-Lurker]

[KG]

[Pitts]

Holy crap! He's in deep.

[dark_forces]

Holy crap! He's in deep.

If we had to predict how this will turn out, does Jarry somehow regain form, or does he continue his rapid descent?
Or, does he at least get back to Jarry of 2023 where he can start most games and do, generally, okay?

[KG]

This is strange with Jarry. He's been horrible, but he's far from the only member of the team that's struggled.

Grzelyck is doing his best JMFJ impersonation out there as the worst Pens defenseman ever.

[Daniel]

This is strange with Jarry. He's been horrible, but he's far from the only member of the team that's struggled.

Grzelyck is doing his best JMFJ impersonation out there as the worst Pens defenseman ever.

Honestly I think Jarry is a lot like Murray. Both play as good or as bad as the team does. In what 2 games, Blomqvist has already shown that he'll make that timely save that almost shames the team into playing better, if that makes sense. If the team starts bad, Jarry doesn't save them until they can get to their game (this time mean it literally not mocking).

[Puck-Lurker]

This is strange with Jarry. He's been horrible, but he's far from the only member of the team that's struggled.

Grzelyck is doing his best JMFJ impersonation out there as the worst Pens defenseman ever.

Honestly I think Jarry is a lot like Murray. Both play as good or as bad as the team does. In what 2 games, Blomqvist has already shown that he'll make that timely save that almost shames the team into playing better, if that makes sense. If the team starts bad, Jarry doesn't save them until they can get to their game (this time mean it literally not mocking).

Ned has a similar effect on the team. I'm willing to bet that part of it is a personality thing.

Our D has been crap though, utter crap. Name me one that has been good, or delivered anywhere near what you'd hope they would. If I'm being nice, maybe Shea, but that's because he's a #7-8-9 defenceman, not because he's been very good.

DK had a good snippet on it. The team doesn't so much *defend* as it just skates back and stands there. In the Carolina game, I noticed the Pens (minus the odd-man breaks) were as good or better than the Canes getting back to defend. And then just didn't! Some of the ingredients to a decent defence are there. But you also gotta get your stick to do the right things on the ice. Forwards are not drifting back to cover for defensemen jumping up to keep pucks in. But when the D don't pinch and hang back to hold off the other team in the neutral zone, they skate back and just allow a transition to the other end. It's infuriating to watch.

You could argue Grzelcyk isn't a top pair defenceman, or a top 4 defenceman if you want to pile on. But no one on this team is right now and there's no fix -- apart from changing the system and getting people to buy in and commit.

- 34 Goals against (32nd)
- .879 combined SV% (25th)

And before we all hate on Quinn, as he's not fixed the D:

- 24.0% PP (12th)
- 82.6% PK (9th)

It's something. Still gotta get some points. Doesn't matter who we're playing, every game can be hard or easy.

[FLPensFan]

Holy crap! He's in deep.

If we had to predict how this will turn out, does Jarry somehow regain form, or does he continue his rapid descent?
Or, does he at least get back to Jarry of 2023 where he can start most games and do, generally, okay?

Jarry will be 30 at the end of this season. I wouldn't bank on a guy regaining his form at age 30. Not like it hasn't happened before (see Bobrovsky), but, for a guy who has what, 2 All Star selections under his belt, he's never been a highly consistent goalie. Injuries or 2nd half collapses are common, and practice habits and personality have also been an issue in the past.

Penguins need to find a deal where a team will take a chance on him. Detroit seems realistic. Maybe something around Copp for Jarry straight up. Copp is about 300k more expensive, but Copp has one less year on his contract. I'd really hate having Copp, Acciari, and Hayes on this team, but if we move out someone like Eller at the deadline, then maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

[maopens]

The Jarry story has a personal flavor to it.

According to DK, Jarry lives in Edmonton in the offseason and grew up in the Vancouver area - the sites for the next 2 games. Almost like they want to deprive him of being around his hometown games, maybe see friends and family in those areas. Odd.

At 29-30, he isn't being sent back to Pittsburgh to work on how-to-play-goalie technique. I suspect perhaps he has mentally checked out on the team. Is he a drag on the team in the locker room? Is a pending trade in the works?

This story seems to have a lot behind the curtain that we don't yet know.

[KG]

The Jarry story has a personal flavor to it.

According to DK, Jarry lives in Edmonton in the offseason and grew up in the Vancouver area - the sites for the next 2 games. Almost like they want to deprive him of being around his hometown games, maybe see friends and family in those areas. Odd.

At 29-30, he isn't being sent back to Pittsburgh to work on how-to-play-goalie technique. I suspect perhaps he has mentally checked out on the team. Is he a drag on the team in the locker room? Is a pending trade in the works?

This story seems to have a lot behind the curtain that we don't yet know.

Very strange indeed. Have to think they are trying to find a way to trade him. Bet KD wants a mulligan on that 5 year contract he gave Jars last off-season!

[Tico Rick]

The Jarry story has a personal flavor to it.

According to DK, Jarry lives in Edmonton in the offseason and grew up in the Vancouver area - the sites for the next 2 games. Almost like they want to deprive him of being around his hometown games, maybe see friends and family in those areas. Odd.

At 29-30, he isn't being sent back to Pittsburgh to work on how-to-play-goalie technique. I suspect perhaps he has mentally checked out on the team. Is he a drag on the team in the locker room? Is a pending trade in the works?

This story seems to have a lot behind the curtain that we don't yet know.

Very strange indeed. Have to think they are trying to find a way to trade him. Bet KD wants a mulligan on that 5 year contract he gave Jars last off-season!

It is peculiar. Wouldn’t he be better able to work on his game with NHL players on the ice with him rather than in Pittsburgh? I have a strange feeling that we may have seen the last of Tristan Jarry.

[Admin]

I think Sullivan is just tired of answering the "who's backing up?" question.

[ahawk9]

Maybe there's something in the works. It is totally odd to send home a native of the area, especially since he was already with the team on the trip west. ...KD could probably unload Jarry as long as Pens retain salary. Retain 50 percent (isn't that the max a team can retain?) and move him out. I think he's done on this team, so admit the signing mistake and get out of it. I'd rather they retain than sweeten with picks. Cap shouldn't be an issue with this team in the next 5 or 6 years, so makes sense to absorb 50 percent of his salary now and be out from under it in three more seasons rather than buying him out next summer and dealing with 6 years of that.

[ahawk9]

I mean, goalies are kooks, so maybe a new organization would help Jarry get back to "normal"...

[Sams_Dog]

My guess is that he said or did something to piss off the coaches or players and they said, "Get him out of here. He's a distraction." At this point I think the team is going to have to bite the bullet no matter what whether they trade him or waive him tis season or next off season. It may be best to trade bad deals with some other team to get rid of him. But I agree with an earlier post that they should retain salary if they have to rather than add picks.

[janissary782]

Anyone else laugh at one of the ridiculous blogs who suggests Jarry and graves for Nurse and a first?

[Puck-Lurker]

Timing is just bizarre on this.

Taylor Haase asked Sullivan if this was planned. Sully started answering very quickly with a "yes"
"It's just part of the process that that we've put in place here over the next little while to try to help Tristan get to his very best. This is just the process that we've put in place. We spoke to Tristan about it, and he's bought into it.

They want Jarry to work with people in Pittsburgh. Sully specifically mentioned Jon Elkin (director of goaltending - now there's a title). Maybe on recommendation of Chiodo (goalie coach) who's traveling with the team.

Several ways to take that:
- They're starting/in a process to work with a sport psychologist, or something similar, to help Jarry along. Nothing wrong with that. It's not for everyone, but Jarry's running out of options.
- Something else is in play and they're trying to save Jarry from needing to enter the NHL players assistance programme. Here I have to stress: I don't think this, don't believe this, there's no evidence to support this.
- Jarry is bad vibes in the locker room, somehow. Maybe teammates can't stand him for something he said, or did. Or he similarly crossed the line with coaches. I don't.. quite buy this.
- Jarry needs to work with goalie coaches on his own and take some time to sort out his game (try to salvage it). Doing so with the team will detract from the needs of Ned and Blomqvist.
- Pens hate Jarry and want to fire him into the sun.

[BigMcK]

.... and want to fire him into the sun.

I chuckle every time I read this solution.

Sully, fire him into the sun.
Graves, fire him into the sun.
Jarry, fire him into the sun.

[BurghThing]

I know which one i like

[Fast B]

Pens hate Jarry and want to fire him into the sun.

Yes, but by sending him back to PA they'd only miss and hit [the] Moon or Mars instead.

[KG]

Jarry sent down to WBS on conditioning assignment.

He can stay down for a maximum of 14 days and the cap hit remains. Interesting , I saw that the player has to agree to the assignment.