The Jarry Problem

[Crash66]

Dubas has to decide what to do with Jarry by Saturday. WB/S has a game Wednesday (tomorrow), one on Friday and one on Saturday. He is 3-0 and has a .937 (I believe) save percentage down there. Unless he somehow gets "injured" in the next couple of games, I see no way he doesn't return to the big club and Blomqvist gets sent down.

[Wyopen]

I wouldn’t get too excited over Jarry’s AHL numbers. It’s the AHL. I am worried about RMG2 numbers though.

[Daniel]

I wouldn’t get too excited over Jarry’s AHL numbers. It’s the AHL. I am worried about RMG2 numbers though.

Honestly I think WBS is more important for a trade than for the Penguins. The reason being is that WBS seems to play much better defense so a more defensive oriented team might view Jarry as an asset. Playing behind the Swiss Cheese gang is never going to be optimal for Jarry.

[Wyopen]

I wouldn’t get too excited over Jarry’s AHL numbers. It’s the AHL. I am worried about RMG2 numbers though.

Honestly I think WBS is more important for a trade than for the Penguins. The reason being is that WBS seems to play much better defense so a more defensive oriented team might view Jarry as an asset. Playing behind the Swiss Cheese gang is never going to be optimal for Jarry.

Exactly Daniel, I really don’t think these AHL numbers are going to pan out with the NHL Pens.

[Puck-Lurker]

I wouldn’t get too excited over Jarry’s AHL numbers. It’s the AHL. I am worried about RMG2 numbers though.

Honestly I think WBS is more important for a trade than for the Penguins. The reason being is that WBS seems to play much better defense so a more defensive oriented team might view Jarry as an asset. Playing behind the Swiss Cheese gang is never going to be optimal for Jarry.

Oh, it'd be really nice to think of Jarry's AHL stint as shopping him, somehow to another team. I just don't see any option that happens. At all. Blomqvist will go down and Jarry backs up behind Ned is what will happen

[largegarlic]

As someone who accepts this is a lost season, I'm bringing Jarry back and sending Blomqvist down. Blomqvist doesn't deserve the demotion, but I'd rather he not have his confidence wrecked playing behind this defense.

[KG]

Jarry recalled. Nieto down to WBS for conditioning.

[Daniel]

As someone who accepts this is a lost season, I'm bringing Jarry back and sending Blomqvist down. Blomqvist doesn't deserve the demotion, but I'd rather he not have his confidence wrecked playing behind this defense.

Hopefully Jarry plays well enough to allow KD a way to trade him. Curious about what happens if he plays badly? What would be next, Is his NHL career over?

[FLPensFan]

As someone who accepts this is a lost season, I'm bringing Jarry back and sending Blomqvist down. Blomqvist doesn't deserve the demotion, but I'd rather he not have his confidence wrecked playing behind this defense.

Hopefully Jarry plays well enough to allow KD a way to trade him. Curious about what happens if he plays badly? What would be next, Is his NHL career over?

Dubas has said previously they won't waive a goalie. Not sure how much I believe that, because if he plays badly, the only real option is to send him down to WBS to play more again. Will the NHL allow them to do another non-injury conditioning assignment? I don't know. The main thing the NHL cares about is cap circumvention, so if the Penguins have the cap space and aren't making another move to fill up the Jarry space, I guess technically they could condition assignment him to WBS again.

I wonder at this point if Dubas has gone to Craig Oster (Jarry's agent) and told them that quietly, they are free to seek a trade. If they find an interested team, then Dubas can see if he can work out some sort of deal.

[Daniel]

As someone who accepts this is a lost season, I'm bringing Jarry back and sending Blomqvist down. Blomqvist doesn't deserve the demotion, but I'd rather he not have his confidence wrecked playing behind this defense.

Hopefully Jarry plays well enough to allow KD a way to trade him. Curious about what happens if he plays badly? What would be next, Is his NHL career over?

Dubas has said previously they won't waive a goalie. Not sure how much I believe that, because if he plays badly, the only real option is to send him down to WBS to play more again. Will the NHL allow them to do another non-injury conditioning assignment? I don't know. The main thing the NHL cares about is cap circumvention, so if the Penguins have the cap space and aren't making another move to fill up the Jarry space, I guess technically they could condition assignment him to WBS again.

I wonder at this point if Dubas has gone to Craig Oster (Jarry's agent) and told them that quietly, they are free to seek a trade. If they find an interested team, then Dubas can see if he can work out some sort of deal.

I think he can be a legit workhorse starting goalie, just not with Pittsburgh. Yes he's injury prone, but the Penguins seem to have a history of injury prone players compared to other teams. Might be a perception and don't really want to look it up though.

I think the biggest problem with Jarry on the Penguins is he's not a goalie that can play on a poor defensive structure team, though not sure Brodeur could play behind the mess we've seen in recent years. I think he'd be just as bad with Edmonton or a team that considers defense voluntary, but I'm sure as the season goes on at least one team would trade for him if Dubas will retain some salary and they don't have to give up much.

[BigMcK]

Imagine if he showed up in net and started swinging his stick into the nut sack of any defender on his team who wouldn't/couldn't step up and help him.

Imagine if all of the Penguins goalies did the same.

Hacky sack. That would certainly alert the defense of the team that enough is enough and your balls are fair game to be scrambled.

[DelPen]

Starting to think we might be able to easily move Ned now to a team who is struggling with a goalie and get a decent return for him and just rotate Blom and Jarry and just deal with having Jarry be an overpaid backup while Blom is still under his entry deal and then under cost control for his bridge deal.

[FLPensFan]

Starting to think we might be able to easily move Ned now to a team who is struggling with a goalie and get a decent return for him and just rotate Blom and Jarry and just deal with having Jarry be an overpaid backup while Blom is still under his entry deal and then under cost control for his bridge deal.

That actually sounds like the much easier solution, and the much better longer-term plan. You hate having Jarry on the roster as an overpaid goalie but...give the net to Blomqvist, make Jarry the backup. See if that motivates him "That's his net now. He's the starter. You want more starts. Earn it."

If things get bad and we want to protect Blomqvist, send him back down and bring up Larsson.

EDIT: Ned to Utah might be something to watch. Utah has roughly 6.5-7.5M in cap space available. Utah is tied for the last WC spot, but their goaltending has been horrific. Connor Ingram has been their main goalie, 12 games. He's 6-3-3, but let in the most goals in the league, SV% is .879, GAA 3.4, GSAA -6.9, has only 3 quality starts (SV% above league average or over .885). If Utah wants to make the playoffs, getting an upgrade in goal might be needed.

[KBone]

Again, NHL GMs can make some baffling decisions.

Maybe Armstrong in Utah would think Jarry could be their guy with a fresh start and would make a straight up hockey trade.

[Antonio]

Again, NHL GMs can make some baffling decisions.

Maybe Armstrong in Utah would think Jarry could be their guy with a fresh start and would make a straight up hockey trade.

From your lips to God's ears.

[Puck-Lurker]

Again, NHL GMs can make some baffling decisions.

Maybe Armstrong in Utah would think Jarry could be their guy with a fresh start and would make a straight up hockey trade.

Utah has never scored on Jarry... Let's make it happen!

[KG]

Blom gets the start. Ned is the backup and Jarry is a healthy scratch...

I really think that this is more than Jarry having a bad few starts to start the season. Something is up.

If KD is going to try to trade him, they are going to have to play him eventually.

[largegarlic]

Blom gets the start. Ned is the backup and Jarry is a healthy scratch...

I really think that this is more than Jarry having a bad few starts to start the season. Something is up.

If KD is going to try to trade him, they are going to have to play him eventually.

Weren't there rumors last spring that Jarry had caused some rift in the locker room?

I agree with you that they have to play him again at some point. Either he looks ok and maybe you could get another team interested, or he looks terrible again, and you waive him.

[FLPensFan]

Blom gets the start. Ned is the backup and Jarry is a healthy scratch...

I really think that this is more than Jarry having a bad few starts to start the season. Something is up.

If KD is going to try to trade him, they are going to have to play him eventually.

Weren't there rumors last spring that Jarry had caused some rift in the locker room?

I agree with you that they have to play him again at some point. Either he looks ok and maybe you could get another team interested, or he looks terrible again, and you waive him.

The biggest thing I remember is he stared down Marcus Pettersson after he let up a goal against the Stars, and that apparently didn't sit well with some players. I think there have been questions about his practice habits, focus, and willingness to change over the years.

[pfim]

Blom gets the start. Ned is the backup and Jarry is a healthy scratch...

I really think that this is more than Jarry having a bad few starts to start the season. Something is up.

If KD is going to try to trade him, they are going to have to play him eventually.

I don't think you can play him at this point and still look the players in the eye...

Once the playoffs become smaller in the rear view mirror, he'll get more opportunities. Or if there is an injury.

[pfim]

Starting to think we might be able to easily move Ned now to a team who is struggling with a goalie and get a decent return for him and just rotate Blom and Jarry and just deal with having Jarry be an overpaid backup while Blom is still under his entry deal and then under cost control for his bridge deal.

That seems convenient, but doesn't but the best foot forward. Don't get me wrong, if they got a good return for Ned they should trade him, but Jarry shouldn't factor into that equation.