The Sullivan Problem

[cojac]

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[Pens4Life]

I just want to see this line together for next 5 games :
DOC - Eller - Puljujarvi

But also with Rust coming back, I think Geno should center his line again. We should be looking for LW on market in Karlsson trade right now if possible.. we should be looking for D help in Jarry potential trade.

Its still cringes me every time I see our defence play, this is the most disorganized, dysfunctional, full or error defence we had since Tarnstrom era..

We need to move on from some of these guys.. I would completely blew defense apart at trade deadline..

Sullivan - repetead more than enough ,he should be gone 3 years ago

[BigMcK]

I just want to see this line together for next 5 games :
DOC - Eller - Puljujarvi

In the toolbox of the Penguins, these are the only players another GM will be calling our GM for what he wants in return in a trade. I add MP, suffering a down season, probably on purpose. He wants to stay.

EK, nope.
Jarry, no.
Bunting, no.
Rakell, no.
Rust, hello: hell no. No team stocks enough duct tape to make it worth their time.

Long gone are NHL talent to be used as trade-bait.

GM and Head Coach need to get fired at the end of this season.

[Puck-Lurker]

I just want to see this line together for next 5 games :
DOC - Eller - Puljujarvi

But also with Rust coming back, I think Geno should center his line again. We should be looking for LW on market in Karlsson trade right now if possible.. we should be looking for D help in Jarry potential trade.

Its still cringes me every time I see our defence play, this is the most disorganized, dysfunctional, full or error defence we had since Tarnstrom era..

We need to move on from some of these guys.. I would completely blew defense apart at trade deadline..

Sullivan - repetead more than enough ,he should be gone 3 years ago

DOC-Glass-Puljujärvi is a 3rd line I can live with.

[KBone]

I just want to see this line together for next 5 games :
DOC - Eller - Puljujarvi

In the toolbox of the Penguins, these are the only players another GM will be calling our GM for what he wants in return in a trade. I add MP, suffering a down season, probably on purpose. He wants to stay.

EK, nope.
Jarry, no.
Bunting, no.
Rakell, no.
Rust, hello: hell no. No team stocks enough duct tape to make it worth their time.

Long gone are NHL talent to be used as trade-bait.

GM and Head Coach need to get fired at the end of this season.

I will counter this with the fact that there are a lot of dumb NHL GMs who often see their own version of value in players others see none.

Exhibit A: Scuderi for Daley trade

[ahawk9]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

[KG]

I listened to the GM show with Getzoff and KD. KD talked about the blown leads as a "trend" over the last few seasons. He also said Sullivan and the coaching staff are "working their butts off" trying to figure it out.

Does not sound Sully is on any short leash at all. I know KD has a long-term plan in place here and we will be in for some lean seasons, but I would like him to start saying that losing the way we are, with blowing leads, is unacceptable. You don't want to foster or support a losing culture. We need to have higher standards.

Get a little angry and emotional. It's OK, they're big boys, they can handle it. Boston's coach has benched Marchand and Pastrnak this season. Granted he is probably coaching for his job and might be the first coach fired, but at least he's going out guns blazing.

If you don't do anything to change what's happened for the last 3 years (at least) then you are just laying down and accepting it. Fans don't like that.

[Puck-Lurker]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

[Cow_Master66]

Not to sound repetitive, but the 2 large brains on D are not going to change their style, regardless of the situation. They will both still take chances, whether they have a 5-0 lead on opening night, or are up 3-2 in a game 7 OT. You can change coaches if you want, but they aren't going to change.

[Cow_Master66]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

They didn't like Matheson either, even when he was here and turned things around. Or Ceci....Or Schultz...Or Niskanen...Even Jack Johnson, who started to play well, the Yinzers still bashed because that's what they knew.

[Puck-Lurker]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

They didn't like Matheson either, even when he was here and turned things around. Or Ceci....Or Schultz...Or Niskanen...Even Jack Johnson, who started to play well, the Yinzers still bashed because that's what they knew.

You had me, until JMFJ.

[Antonio]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

The real flotsam here is the piece of garbage behind the bench. Yeah we had to unload granland, who was a productive solid player for years before coming here and then after leaving has 74 points in 83 games. I wonder what the problem was?

All that work to pick up EK and we can compare his production and play here to, well, the rest of his entire career. I wonder what the problem is?

Desmith wasn't really a problem and petry was just too much money for his age, but was at least moderately productive here. If he didn't perform as well as he could have, I wonder if he was the problem or if it was something else.

This organization is plagued with morons and imbeciles running it and leading it who apparently can't see the plainly obvious on their own faces. The most disappointing part of all that is that, not that long ago, this organization was run in a way that was the envy of the league I think.

[Skatingpen]

They have no idea how to put a competitive team on the ice without having generational players part of it. There is no plan.

[FLPensFan]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

The real flotsam here is the piece of garbage behind the bench. Yeah we had to unload granland, who was a productive solid player for years before coming here and then after leaving has 74 points in 83 games. I wonder what the problem was?

All that work to pick up EK and we can compare his production and play here to, well, the rest of his entire career. I wonder what the problem is?

Desmith wasn't really a problem and petry was just too much money for his age, but was at least moderately productive here. If he didn't perform as well as he could have, I wonder if he was the problem or if it was something else.

This organization is plagued with morons and imbeciles running it and leading it who apparently can't see the plainly obvious on their own faces. The most disappointing part of all that is that, not that long ago, this organization was run in a way that was the envy of the league I think.

The Petry for Matheson trade should have never happened. Penguins would be in a much better position if it didn't.
While Ty Smith bombed, I don't think Marino has ever regained his rookie year form, so I'm not overly mad at this deal (except for the return flaming out).
Hextall missed the boat not ponying up for Chychrun the first time when he went to OTT, and Dubas missed the 2nd time he went to WSH for much cheaper.

MP-Letang
Chychrun-Matheson would be a much more solid top 4. Even though Chychrun and Matheson are LH, they both have played a good amount on the right side. We might have been able to give up something like POJ and a 2nd for Chychrun. Matheson set a career high here in points, then doubled that total in Montreal. That likely wouldn't have happened here (the 60 point season), but he was a solid option. They wanted him to be more physical.

[Puck-Lurker]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

The real flotsam here is the piece of garbage behind the bench. Yeah we had to unload granland, who was a productive solid player for years before coming here and then after leaving has 74 points in 83 games. I wonder what the problem was?

All that work to pick up EK and we can compare his production and play here to, well, the rest of his entire career. I wonder what the problem is?

Desmith wasn't really a problem and petry was just too much money for his age, but was at least moderately productive here. If he didn't perform as well as he could have, I wonder if he was the problem or if it was something else.

This organization is plagued with morons and imbeciles running it and leading it who apparently can't see the plainly obvious on their own faces. The most disappointing part of all that is that, not that long ago, this organization was run in a way that was the envy of the league I think.

The Petry for Matheson trade should have never happened. Penguins would be in a much better position if it didn't.
While Ty Smith bombed, I don't think Marino has ever regained his rookie year form, so I'm not overly mad at this deal (except for the return flaming out).
Hextall missed the boat not ponying up for Chychrun the first time when he went to OTT, and Dubas missed the 2nd time he went to WSH for much cheaper.

MP-Letang
Chychrun-Matheson would be a much more solid top 4. Even though Chychrun and Matheson are LH, they both have played a good amount on the right side. We might have been able to give up something like POJ and a 2nd for Chychrun. Matheson set a career high here in points, then doubled that total in Montreal. That likely wouldn't have happened here (the 60 point season), but he was a solid option. They wanted him to be more physical.

Weird, I got the impression they wanted him to stop chasing the puck and play better positionally. Doesn't exclude physicality, but kind of doesn't enable it either.

[Daniel]

Scuderi for Daley... Man, I still can't believe that one. Could be Rutherford's best move of all time.

I remember when it happened the forum was turned against Daley. Not that they were unhappy to see Scuds leave, mr Puck-in-the-Stands.. they didn't like the add in Trevor Daley.

Seemed to have turned out alright. Thanks for the cups Trevor.

Karlsson hasnt clicked so far. Might never. But boy did we eject a ton of flotsam when KD made that deal. That was some fancy GM work, sad to see the high end player didn't work out in the end, so it's kinda moot.

The real flotsam here is the piece of garbage behind the bench. Yeah we had to unload granland, who was a productive solid player for years before coming here and then after leaving has 74 points in 83 games. I wonder what the problem was?

All that work to pick up EK and we can compare his production and play here to, well, the rest of his entire career. I wonder what the problem is?

Desmith wasn't really a problem and petry was just too much money for his age, but was at least moderately productive here. If he didn't perform as well as he could have, I wonder if he was the problem or if it was something else.

This organization is plagued with morons and imbeciles running it and leading it who apparently can't see the plainly obvious on their own faces. The most disappointing part of all that is that, not that long ago, this organization was run in a way that was the envy of the league I think.

The Petry for Matheson trade should have never happened. Penguins would be in a much better position if it didn't.
While Ty Smith bombed, I don't think Marino has ever regained his rookie year form, so I'm not overly mad at this deal (except for the return flaming out).
Hextall missed the boat not ponying up for Chychrun the first time when he went to OTT, and Dubas missed the 2nd time he went to WSH for much cheaper.

MP-Letang
Chychrun-Matheson would be a much more solid top 4. Even though Chychrun and Matheson are LH, they both have played a good amount on the right side. We might have been able to give up something like POJ and a 2nd for Chychrun. Matheson set a career high here in points, then doubled that total in Montreal. That likely wouldn't have happened here (the 60 point season), but he was a solid option. They wanted him to be more physical.

I would have kept Marino and hope he played well enough to get a better asset. Not only did they sell low but they also got a redundant defensemen.

[bse]

Is there any player that actually overachieved under Sullivan during the past five years? He seems to suck life out of players who were good elsewhere

[KG]

Is there any player that actually overachieved under Sullivan during the past five years? He seems to suck life out of players who were good elsewhere

Agreed. Much more often players under achieve here and go on to do better elsewhere. Doesn't sound like a top 3 coach in the league!

[KG]

Worst part is that if FSG actually agrees to letting Sullivan go, they will just instruct KD do promote fellow Bostonian and Sully doppelganger, Quinn.

I can't wait until they clean house of the coaching of Sullivan and any and all of his cronies.

[ahawk9]

I was wondering if it's simply the system that's mainly to blame for the defense. Even Pettersson has struggled mightily. Not saying this is the 1990s Devils defensive corps but there seems to be something amiss in their approach. They have long given up odd-man rushes but this year it's staggering how many there are. Yes, the forwards are somewhat to blame as well but there's something hinky (love that word) about this iteration of the team's defensive group and how they're deployed.

St. Ivany and Shea were really solid as a 3rd pair last year, although if they move Graves up to 2nd pair.... That said, I don't know if it could be much worse. EK is mostly bad since coming to Pittsburgh; his offensive impact has been clipped which magnifies his defensive liability. Letang has regressed - he was never a smart player but this is awful. Pettersson has regressed, Graves is a bit better but he was so bad last year it's not enough to make a difference, and Grzelcyk was a shot in the dark that missed. Still, they shouldn't be THIS bad, and I blame the system for that. I'm not smart enough to be able to pick out the why on that but the eye test tells me that the positioning and the attack/defend strategies are debilitating.

[Gunnerfan]

Is there any player that actually overachieved under Sullivan during the past five years? He seems to suck life out of players who were good elsewhere

Whoa, that's a great point. I was going to say Kessel which is on the fringe of 5 years, but his talent overoad any coaching issues I suppose.

[Puck-Lurker]

Is there any player that actually overachieved under Sullivan during the past five years? He seems to suck life out of players who were good elsewhere

Whoa, that's a great point. I was going to say Kessel which is on the fringe of 5 years, but his talent overoad any coaching issues I suppose.

ERod?

[Cow_Master66]

I was wondering if it's simply the system that's mainly to blame for the defense. Even Pettersson has struggled mightily. Not saying this is the 1990s Devils defensive corps but there seems to be something amiss in their approach. They have long given up odd-man rushes but this year it's staggering how many there are. Yes, the forwards are somewhat to blame as well but there's something hinky (love that word) about this iteration of the team's defensive group and how they're deployed.

St. Ivany and Shea were really solid as a 3rd pair last year, although if they move Graves up to 2nd pair.... That said, I don't know if it could be much worse. EK is mostly bad since coming to Pittsburgh; his offensive impact has been clipped which magnifies his defensive liability. Letang has regressed - he was never a smart player but this is awful. Pettersson has regressed, Graves is a bit better but he was so bad last year it's not enough to make a difference, and Grzelcyk was a shot in the dark that missed. Still, they shouldn't be THIS bad, and I blame the system for that. I'm not smart enough to be able to pick out the why on that but the eye test tells me that the positioning and the attack/defend strategies are debilitating.

Letang is at 23+ mins a night, EK at 22+, and the game is 60 minutes long. They aren't always out there together, so you're looking at roughly 45 minutes of a 60 minute game with a braindead Dman on the ice....There's no system to fix these two.

[KG]

Practice lasted a solid 30 minutes today. Atta boy Sully, you don’t want to overwork the boys after all that effort that was exerted last night…

[pfim]

Practice lasted a solid 30 minutes today. Atta boy Sully, you don’t want to overwork the boys after all that effort that was exerted last night…

TBF, that's equivalent to 12 goals against for this team. That's a lot of time.