Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[FLPensFan]

Considering how unsurprisingly abysmal the Penguins have been recently, I doubt they “buy”, but as I was saying, Miller”s value is at a definite low point atm; add that the model of “rebuilding on the fly” has worked for both the Rangers and now Capitals, that is likely still the mindset.
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Of course both the rangers and caps axed their coach within the past decade so the Pens won’t have that in common.

I hear you. We could probably get Miller for an MP package at this point. I always kind of wanted him because he would have been a major help at 2C to support Geno etc.

MP and Rakell for Miller and Hoglander type of deal is probably not so outlandish. Hoglander has pretty much negative value with his $3mill AAV deal kicking in next season.

Then we can trade Miller in 2 years, retain and get some good young assets for him. Similar to what we will probably do with EK sooner than later.

I don't expect it too happen, but I wouldn't be shocked.

Miller does nothing for us at this point. He doesn't put us over the edge. Dubas needs to utilize MP and Rakell to get maximum future assets, high picks and prospects, or a solid young NHLer. Almost any trade for Miller is an abject failure.

This team has been a lottery team all year, with the exception of a 2-3 week run. We're 7th overall. We are 7 points out of a WC spot, with SIX teams between us and WC2 spot. All of them have more points or games in hand. This team is not magically going to make a strong run and have SIX teams (not counting the 2 current WC teams) completely fall apart. Playoffs are not happening, and if Dubas can't see that, we're in big trouble.

We have 5 more points that 4th overall pick Nashville. If they win their games in hand, they'll pass us. BUF is sitting at 41 points. 3rd overall is a stretch, but at this point, this team has a much, much stronger chance of landing a top 5 pick than it does a WC spot. If Dubas can't see that, we are doomed.

Selecting one of Schaefer, Hagens, Misa, Martone, or McQueen would be a big boost to this club.
Then you go and trade Pettersson and get a high pick and/or young NHLer.
Then you go and trade Rakell for another high pick and/or young NHLer and/or another high pick.

This team has a chance to pickup 3 quality under 24 year old assets. This is why a full strip it down rebuild may not be needed if Dubas plays his cards right.

[Antonio]

Lottery chance to win and move to 1st spot is up to the 8th spot right?

[FLPensFan]

Lottery chance to win and move to 1st spot is up to the 8th spot right?

You can move up a maximum of 10 spots. So teams 1-11 have a shot at the first overall pick.

[penscup]

We have 5 more points that 4th overall pick Nashville. If they win their games in hand, they'll pass us. BUF is sitting at 41 points. 3rd overall is a stretch, but at this point, this team has a much, much stronger chance of landing a top 5 pick than it does a WC spot. If Dubas can't see that, we are doomed.

Selecting one of Schaefer, Hagens, Misa, Martone, or McQueen would be a big boost to this club.
Then you go and trade Pettersson and get a high pick and/or young NHLer.
Then you go and trade Rakell for another high pick and/or young NHLer and/or another high pick.

This team has a chance to pickup 3 quality under 24 year old assets. This is why a full strip it down rebuild may not be needed if Dubas plays his cards right.

This would be very exciting to see if it eventually plays out like this. Getting 3 high picks for the 2025 draft would be awesome.

[lemieuxReturns]

We have 5 more points that 4th overall pick Nashville. If they win their games in hand, they'll pass us. BUF is sitting at 41 points. 3rd overall is a stretch, but at this point, this team has a much, much stronger chance of landing a top 5 pick than it does a WC spot. If Dubas can't see that, we are doomed.

Selecting one of Schaefer, Hagens, Misa, Martone, or McQueen would be a big boost to this club.
Then you go and trade Pettersson and get a high pick and/or young NHLer.
Then you go and trade Rakell for another high pick and/or young NHLer and/or another high pick.

This team has a chance to pickup 3 quality under 24 year old assets. This is why a full strip it down rebuild may not be needed if Dubas plays his cards right.

This would be very exciting to see if it eventually plays out like this. Getting 3 high picks for the 2025 draft would be awesome.

If you can keep those new picks in junior next season and repeat again the losing and trade Rust and Ek next deadline for another total of 3 young picks then we are really rebuilding

[thehockeyguru]

I'm surprised Rutherford hasn't pulled the trigger yet. I could see JT Miller going to the Rangers but that is a big scoring void to fill. Will be interesting to see what he's up to

[pekkasteele]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

[lemieuxReturns]

Yea. I think it is after this season so that would line up with trading next deadline. Rust, Ek, Bunting, Graves next season. With Rakell and MP this season. Sid’s last season will be with approx five1st and 2nd round picks in the lineup…. Maybe more.

[FLPensFan]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

This summer. I have a hard time seeing them trade Rust as long as Sullivan is here. Aside from your superstar, elite level players, Rust is pretty much the mold of what Sullivan wants in a player....speed, smarts, consistent, good offense, good defense, PP, PK, 5v5.

I really don't subscribe to the "we can't trade X because Sid." Sid needs to understand this is a business, and if trading Rakell this year, and Rust over the summer or next year is best for the franchise....it is what needs to be done.

[stonewizard51]

Totally agree.

[KG]

Pens are -39 in goal differential. Horrible. Sell, sell, sell!

[pekkasteele]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

This summer. I have a hard time seeing them trade Rust as long as Sullivan is here. Aside from your superstar, elite level players, Rust is pretty much the mold of what Sullivan wants in a player....speed, smarts, consistent, good offense, good defense, PP, PK, 5v5.

I really don't subscribe to the "we can't trade X because Sid." Sid needs to understand this is a business, and if trading Rakell this year, and Rust over the summer or next year is best for the franchise....it is what needs to be done.

Hopefully Sully is gone by the summer and we can trade him on draft day!

[Puck-Lurker]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

This summer. I have a hard time seeing them trade Rust as long as Sullivan is here. Aside from your superstar, elite level players, Rust is pretty much the mold of what Sullivan wants in a player....speed, smarts, consistent, good offense, good defense, PP, PK, 5v5.

I really don't subscribe to the "we can't trade X because Sid." Sid needs to understand this is a business, and if trading Rakell this year, and Rust over the summer or next year is best for the franchise....it is what needs to be done.

Hopefully Sully is gone by the summer and we can trade him on draft day!

It'll be a cold day in hell

[KBone]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

This summer. I have a hard time seeing them trade Rust as long as Sullivan is here. Aside from your superstar, elite level players, Rust is pretty much the mold of what Sullivan wants in a player....speed, smarts, consistent, good offense, good defense, PP, PK, 5v5.

I really don't subscribe to the "we can't trade X because Sid." Sid needs to understand this is a business, and if trading Rakell this year, and Rust over the summer or next year is best for the franchise....it is what needs to be done.

Hopefully Sully is gone by the summer and we can trade him on draft day!

I heard the potential new minority owners absolutely LOVE HCMS

[KG]

Rust will lose his NMC or NTC at one point, is it this summer, or next?

This summer. I have a hard time seeing them trade Rust as long as Sullivan is here. Aside from your superstar, elite level players, Rust is pretty much the mold of what Sullivan wants in a player....speed, smarts, consistent, good offense, good defense, PP, PK, 5v5.

I really don't subscribe to the "we can't trade X because Sid." Sid needs to understand this is a business, and if trading Rakell this year, and Rust over the summer or next year is best for the franchise....it is what needs to be done.

Hopefully Sully is gone by the summer and we can trade him on draft day!

I heard the potential new minority owners absolutely LOVE HCMS

Sully is due for an extension. He only has 2 years left on his deal!

[Steve]

I know the Pens aren't trading Sid. Well at least I don't think they would trade him - i know 99 was traded so anything is possible. I have no idea what Sid wants and that's the only thing that matters.

anyway - and just for fun, I'm interested in hearing from others what a trade to Colorado (for example) would look like. A realistic return.

[DeHaven162]

I know the Pens aren't trading Sid. Well at least I don't think they would trade him - i know 99 was traded so anything is possible. I have no idea what Sid wants and that's the only thing that matters.

anyway - and just for fun, I'm interested in hearing from others what a trade to Colorado (for example) would look like. A realistic return.

Agreed he will never be traded, but I'll play. Always love playing mock GM.

Cal Ritchie-C (20) - 1st Round, 27th Overall, 2023
Sean Behrens-D (21) - 3rd Round, 61st Overall, 2021
Ilya Nabokov-G (21) - 2nd Round, 38th Overall, 2024
Jack Drury-C (24) - 2nd Round, 42nd Overall 2018
2025 2nd Round Pick (Originally owned by NYR)
2026 1st Round Pick

[FLPensFan]

I know the Pens aren't trading Sid. Well at least I don't think they would trade him - i know 99 was traded so anything is possible. I have no idea what Sid wants and that's the only thing that matters.

anyway - and just for fun, I'm interested in hearing from others what a trade to Colorado (for example) would look like. A realistic return.

Agreed he will never be traded, but I'll play. Always love playing mock GM.

Cal Ritchie-C (20) - 1st Round, 27th Overall, 2023
Sean Behrens-D (21) - 3rd Round, 61st Overall, 2021
Ilya Nabokov-G (21) - 2nd Round, 38th Overall, 2024
Jack Drury-C (24) - 2nd Round, 42nd Overall 2018
2025 2nd Round Pick (Originally owned by NYR)
2026 1st Round Pick

I read that, and you might as well say Kris Beech, Michael Sivek, and Ross Lupashuk. Not a shot on you...Colorado's prospect pool is worse than ours. Ritchie is their top prospect, and while the Athletic raves about him, they finish their eval with "see clear 2nd line potential." That's not "clear 2nd line floor," it's potential. There's no bona-fide stud in Colorado's system.

If Crosby were to be traded to Colorado to play with MacKinnon, I think Colorado would have to get a 3rd team involved to send better prospects to the Penguins. Besides Crosby not wanting to go anywhere, Colorado's weak prospect pool is why I always thought a Sid to COL trade was a pipe dream.

[DeHaven162]

I know the Pens aren't trading Sid. Well at least I don't think they would trade him - i know 99 was traded so anything is possible. I have no idea what Sid wants and that's the only thing that matters.

anyway - and just for fun, I'm interested in hearing from others what a trade to Colorado (for example) would look like. A realistic return.

Agreed he will never be traded, but I'll play. Always love playing mock GM.

Cal Ritchie-C (20) - 1st Round, 27th Overall, 2023
Sean Behrens-D (21) - 3rd Round, 61st Overall, 2021
Ilya Nabokov-G (21) - 2nd Round, 38th Overall, 2024
Jack Drury-C (24) - 2nd Round, 42nd Overall 2018
2025 2nd Round Pick (Originally owned by NYR)
2026 1st Round Pick

I read that, and you might as well say Kris Beech, Michael Sivek, and Ross Lupashuk. Not a shot on you...Colorado's prospect pool is worse than ours. Ritchie is their top prospect, and while the Athletic raves about him, they finish their eval with "see clear 2nd line potential." That's not "clear 2nd line floor," it's potential. There's no bona-fide stud in Colorado's system.

If Crosby were to be traded to Colorado to play with MacKinnon, I think Colorado would have to get a 3rd team involved to send better prospects to the Penguins. Besides Crosby not wanting to go anywhere, Colorado's weak prospect pool is why I always thought a Sid to COL trade was a pipe dream.

100%. I don't know much about prospects, but while I was looking around at few sites, it was a common thing that the COL system is ranked very low, and it makes sense since they're in win now mode.

This was just for craps and giggles replying to Steve's post. I'm sure there are contract limits, etc. that would negate the deal anyways. But Crosby is also in his late 30's, so maybe a recent first rounder, a young current NHLer, two high picks, and a couple lottery tickets isn't that far off..

[Puck-Lurker]

I know the Pens aren't trading Sid. Well at least I don't think they would trade him - i know 99 was traded so anything is possible. I have no idea what Sid wants and that's the only thing that matters.

anyway - and just for fun, I'm interested in hearing from others what a trade to Colorado (for example) would look like. A realistic return.

Agreed he will never be traded, but I'll play. Always love playing mock GM.

Cal Ritchie-C (20) - 1st Round, 27th Overall, 2023
Sean Behrens-D (21) - 3rd Round, 61st Overall, 2021
Ilya Nabokov-G (21) - 2nd Round, 38th Overall, 2024
Jack Drury-C (24) - 2nd Round, 42nd Overall 2018
2025 2nd Round Pick (Originally owned by NYR)
2026 1st Round Pick

I read that, and you might as well say Kris Beech, Michael Sivek, and Ross Lupashuk. Not a shot on you...Colorado's prospect pool is worse than ours. Ritchie is their top prospect, and while the Athletic raves about him, they finish their eval with "see clear 2nd line potential." That's not "clear 2nd line floor," it's potential. There's no bona-fide stud in Colorado's system.

If Crosby were to be traded to Colorado to play with MacKinnon, I think Colorado would have to get a 3rd team involved to send better prospects to the Penguins. Besides Crosby not wanting to go anywhere, Colorado's weak prospect pool is why I always thought a Sid to COL trade was a pipe dream.

100%. I don't know much about prospects, but while I was looking around at few sites, it was a common thing that the COL system is ranked very low, and it makes sense since they're in win now mode.

This was just for craps and giggles replying to Steve's post. I'm sure there are contract limits, etc. that would negate the deal anyways. But Crosby is also in his late 30's, so maybe a recent first rounder, a young current NHLer, two high picks, and a couple lottery tickets isn't that far off..

You could offer me the entire Avs team and I would pass.

[KG]

Miro Heiskanen got taken out by Mark Stone last night. Looks to be a knee injury. Dallas already has a lot of LTIR money to play with. Wonder if they would be interested in EK? I could see him being a good fit there.

Dallas has a ton of young pieces we would covet too.

[FLPensFan]

Miro Heiskanen got taken out by Mark Stone last night. Looks to be a knee injury. Dallas already has a lot of LTIR money to play with. Wonder if they would be interested in EK? I could see him being a good fit there.

Dallas has a ton of young pieces we would covet too.

EK65 and Blake Lizotte for Matt Dumba, Mavrik Bourque, and 2025 1st

If Dallas wants us to retain on EK65, then throw in a 2nd/3rd. Adding Dumba gets his cap off the books so they may not need to retention.

[KG]

Miro Heiskanen got taken out by Mark Stone last night. Looks to be a knee injury. Dallas already has a lot of LTIR money to play with. Wonder if they would be interested in EK? I could see him being a good fit there.

Dallas has a ton of young pieces we would covet too.

EK65 and Blake Lizotte for Matt Dumba, Mavrik Bourque, and 2025 1st

If Dallas wants us to retain on EK65, then throw in a 2nd/3rd. Adding Dumba gets his cap off the books so they may not need to retention.

Doesn't seem too outlandish to be honest. Have to think we will aggressively try to move EK to a contender. We are quickly turning into SJ-light here.

[FLPensFan]

Miro Heiskanen got taken out by Mark Stone last night. Looks to be a knee injury. Dallas already has a lot of LTIR money to play with. Wonder if they would be interested in EK? I could see him being a good fit there.

Dallas has a ton of young pieces we would covet too.

EK65 and Blake Lizotte for Matt Dumba, Mavrik Bourque, and 2025 1st

If Dallas wants us to retain on EK65, then throw in a 2nd/3rd. Adding Dumba gets his cap off the books so they may not need to retention.

Doesn't seem too outlandish to be honest. Have to think we will aggressively try to move EK to a contender. We are quickly turning into SJ-light here.

On paper, Lizotte replaced Bourque, EK65 replaces Heiskanen, Thomas Harley moves back to LD. Dumba, they've been extremely unhappy with and are looking to dump as far as I know, so we're helping by taking him back. Gives us a short term EK65 replacement, too.

[EndO FanEra]

Miro Heiskanen got taken out by Mark Stone last night. Looks to be a knee injury. Dallas already has a lot of LTIR money to play with. Wonder if they would be interested in EK? I could see him being a good fit there.

Dallas has a ton of young pieces we would covet too.

EK65 and Blake Lizotte for Matt Dumba, Mavrik Bourque, and 2025 1st

If Dallas wants us to retain on EK65, then throw in a 2nd/3rd. Adding Dumba gets his cap off the books so they may not need to retention.

Doesn't seem too outlandish to be honest. Have to think we will aggressively try to move EK to a contender. We are quickly turning into SJ-light here.

On paper, Lizotte replaced Bourque, EK65 replaces Heiskanen, Thomas Harley moves back to LD. Dumba, they've been extremely unhappy with and are looking to dump as far as I know, so we're helping by taking him back. Gives us a short term EK65 replacement, too.

Trading EK with no retention and getting a 1st back? Sign me up!

It sucks (a little) to lose Lizotte, but I would do that in a heartbeat.