Official 2025 trade deadline

[Puck-Lurker]

Direct youtube link to Dubas' presser:

https://www.youtube.com/live/pgW4uu92AxE

[Pens4Life]

So now we have ;
Rakell - Crosby - Rust
Malkin - Novak - Tomasino
Heinen - Hayes - Bemstrom
Dewar - Lizotte - Acciari
x - Imama

Shea - Letang
Grzelyck - Karlsson
Kolyachonok - Timmins
x - Graves

Top 6 pick here we come..

[the riddler]

Not sure how you describe it as great. He got good returns for Schenn, Beauvillier, and Glass. But at the end of the day, those are picks in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds. They absolutely need to re-stock the system, which is good. But he didn't trade the one player he needed to with Rakell. Look at the returns last night and today, this was a missed opportunity to sell high on Rakell.

MM incorrectly thinks we have to keep Rakell to appease Crosby. He wrote an article about how 5 years ago we should have traded Malkin and didn't. His logic is because we made the wrong choice back then it's ok to make the wrong choice now.

You can't take anything he says seriously it defies logic

Re-litigating the past doesn't really change the current situation and shouldn't force you to make poor decisions now. I don't know what the offers where for Rakell. The Islanders got a massive return for Nelson. He is a center but it's hard to think they wouldn't have got at least a 1st round pick for Rakell. I think Brandon Carlo got a first round pick. The return for Jake Walman was a conditional 1st. Rakell didn't have that value last year at this time and he may not have the same value next year, depending on how he plays. I just think it was a missed opportunity to maximize the return.

[Puck-Lurker]

So now we have ;
Rakell - Crosby - Rust
Malkin - Novak - Tomasino
Heinen - Hayes - Bemstrom
Dewar - Lizotte - Acciari
x - Imama

Shea - Letang
Grzelyck - Karlsson
Kolyachonok - Timmins
x - Graves

Top 6 pick here we come..

I think that's good enough for a shot at the Calder Cup this year.

[KG]

So now we have ;
Rakell - Crosby - Rust
Malkin - Novak - Tomasino
Heinen - Hayes - Bemstrom
Dewar - Lizotte - Acciari
x - Imama

Shea - Letang
Grzelyck - Karlsson
Kolyachonok - Timmins
x - Graves

Top 6 pick here we come..

I think that's good enough for a shot at the Calder Cup this year.

Well it was a fun day . Now back to reality! with that lineup

[y2jimmie7420]

Buyers at the trade deadline prefer players at the end of a contract. Normally there are up near the cap ceiling. They are aiming for what they can fit for the rest of this season. Trades during the offseason are easier to navigate when it comes to having term.
Getting “At least a first” is not a great return. Chances are it’s a late round first. The nhl draft is the biggest crapshoot out there. I personally like the moves they made today. If what he wanted for RR wasn’t out there I’m glad he didn’t sell low.
If KD uses draft picks wisely and trades some and makes good selections then it was good. Also Grzelcyk can also be resigned.

I hate that this Teams fans are always on the sky is falling path. Let the process play out. I couldn’t even count how many posts I saw about how bad we did at the trade deadline posted on Wednesday.

[FLPensFan]

Dubas trades Schenn and Beauvillier for two 2nd round picks. Common feeling every where else is KD did very well. Except here, accumulating picks don't do anything for this team.

Dubas could have traded Gryz for a mid round pick maybe. The results here would have been, mid round pick don't count or mean anything. Can't win.

Trades Glass for a 3rd after getting a 3rd to trade for him. Again picks don't matter.

Rakell wasn't traded. KD dropped the ball. Nobody knows what the Pens were even offered.

Not sure what was expected. We were trading spare parts mostly and got good value. Nobody wants Acciari and Heinen. And if anyone did what do you think we would have gotten? a 4th round pick that doesn't mean anything.

Rakell and EK will be dealt with in the off-season most likely. I wanted them to deal Rakell as well but I'm not going to let that take away from all of the good that was done today.

Sure we wanted more fireworks, but I find it odd that everyone is complaining about the stockpile of picks this team has. They are not going to use every draft pick! That is called "capital" for more/better moves in the future.

I agree, but at the same time, this is where I thought trading Rakell was critical. We potentially have McGroarty, Koivunen, Brunicke, and Pickering that could force their way onto the team next year. Adding another young under 24 NHL player or NHL ready prospect, preferably a d-man like Clarke or Nemec, or a forward like Greentree or other, PLUS drafting in the top 10 would have been a big step in a quick rebuild.

Dubas talked for months about prioritizing those young NHLers and NHL ready prospects over getting picks in return. And he went out and got a bunch of picks only. That's where the disappointment lies. Yes, he's not going to use all those picks on drafting. We will now have to wait and see what he can do with his stockpile of picks. But if he fails to come out of the draft without an under 24 NHL ready player, we might as well burn it to the ground.

To me, this is kind of like a few years ago, when we could have let Kapanen walk, went after Strome as a UFA, kept ERod, traded for Chychrun and went after Sam Bennett instead of Jeff Carter. That would have quickly vaulted this team into a much younger roster. They missed their chance.

This year, with the top 10 pick they should have and a big trade piece in Rakell, they had a chance to potentially make another big leap forward, and they didn't do it. Without knowing what Dubas's asking price was, and what potential offers were out there, we can't 100% blame Dubas.

But another key opportunity was missed.

[Puck-Lurker]

Hoo boy...

[Michael74]

I don't mind Timmins. As long as we didn't give up much to get him. It's a solid depth move IMO.

[Puck-Lurker]

Penguins org desperately needs some new people in their music department for their socials. Good grief the track this Dubas presser has on repeat is so lack-lustre. It's fine for someone with a small youtube channel, to use this from a guy they got from Fiverr but man...

[FLPensFan]

Jonathan Gruden also traded in the Glass deal. Penguins got back two other prospects with the 3rd round pick, Chase Stillman and Max Graham.

[Pens4Life]

Direct youtube link to Dubas' presser:

https://www.youtube.com/live/pgW4uu92AxE

Was this canceled or just delayed for over an hour?

[BfromD]

The Pens' two greatest assets, Rakell and Karlsson, have term and were alway more likely to be shopped/moved in the offseason. I think Dubas got alot of value for a ton of middling players who don't move the needle either way; Pettersson is the only guy now gone who I will even remotely miss, and they got a 1st for him which is a W. It would have been nice to have seen Grz moved, but beyond that I have no complaints. The pieces left can shift back to grinding their way to the bottom 5 and we can hope for a little lottery luck to end up with Misa or one other top prospects.

[KG]

[Puck-Lurker]

Direct youtube link to Dubas' presser:

https://www.youtube.com/live/pgW4uu92AxE

Was this canceled or just delayed for over an hour?

Going to go with delayed. It's quite normal for these streams to start quite late -- even if not THIS late.

That or the Pens media guy opened a stream and forgot all about it. I wouldn't put that past them either.

EDIT: Well that settles it

[Maestro]

I will go with Dubas over internet “experts” who have Zero, none, nada, zilch, idea of whether ANY offers were made regarding the players not dealt none the less a strong or serious offer.
And who would play on Crosby”s line if Rakell was moved?
Malkin? No. When has Sullivan ever seriously played Geno there?
Never.

[Puck-Lurker]

I will go with Dubas over internet “experts” who have Zero, none, nada, zilch, idea of whether ANY offers were made regarding the players not dealt none the less a strong or serious offer.
And who would play on Crosby”s line if Rakell was moved?
Malkin? No. When has Sullivan ever seriously played Geno there?
Never.

For a brief while this season when this team was sinking faster than a a sack of concrete with lead boots.

Does it really matter who plays on Sid's wing? Put someone there as a placeholder and wait for next season. You can try out Poulin there or Puustinen. What would be lost I wonder? These guys aren't the cream of the 'prospects' crop and between the ship and the shore anyway.

Yeah, we'd suck for the rest of the season. Rakell is a much, much better player. That's kinda why we want a lot of return for him, even if it's not players that are useable right now. But there are players available that can tie their skates, dress in a Penguins jersey and skate around.

Next season we'll be all out on some of these guys (like Poulin, less so Puustinen) that they're a bust and we never really saw them play in Pittsburgh and so on and so forth. Must not be good enough. You want a benchmark test for these guys? There's 20 games that mean absolutely nothing.

Same goes for Larsson in the AHL. I want to see him up and play 10, but won't get that because... Jarry has to.. whatever?

[Antonio]

Anyone who seriously thinks no good offers were made is deluding themselves. Yeah...numerous teams made numerous deals with significant overpayment and high quality assets moved, but yeah...no quality offers or maybe even NO offers at all were made for a 30+ goal scoring winger with low cost multi year term left in a year where the cap is likely to surge in the future. Yup...keep telling yourself that "we just can't know!" We were the only team no one wanted to make a deal with...sure.

At least internet "experts" know not to sign a guy who is a mess to a 5 year 25 million dollar deal to then have to waive him and find zero interested parties, and they know to fire a guy who hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years despite having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson on the roster and is in fact fighting for the bottom of the standings with those players and has not seen the second round of the playoffs for almost a DECADE. It is all good though...multiple 3rd and 4th round picks in 2027 2029 2034 will lead this team to glory...by 2040.

[SteelCityFan]

Jonathan Gruden also traded in the Glass deal. Penguins got back two other prospects with the 3rd round pick, Chase Stillman and Max Graham.

Chase Stillman sounds like an interesting player. Was a 1st round pick (29th overall) and son of Cory Stillman. Curious to watch his development

[Gunnerfan]

I will go with Dubas over internet “experts” who have Zero, none, nada, zilch, idea of whether ANY offers were made regarding the players not dealt none the less a strong or serious offer.
And who would play on Crosby”s line if Rakell was moved?
Malkin? No. When has Sullivan ever seriously played Geno there?
Never.

Exactly

[Michael74]

Anyone who seriously thinks no good offers were made is deluding themselves. Yeah...numerous teams made numerous deals with significant overpayment and high quality assets moved, but yeah...no quality offers or maybe even NO offers at all were made for a 30+ goal scoring winger with low cost multi year term left in a year where the cap is likely to surge in the future. Yup...keep telling yourself that "we just can't know!" We were the only team no one wanted to make a deal with...sure.

Yeah, it's clear there are a faction of Pens fans who just want Sid to fluff up his point totals and really don't care about much else. I agree with you, there most certainly was a market. There were at least two paths they could have taken I believe, but they may have overplayed their hand. It's not the end of the world, but he should have been moved.

[Gunnerfan]

Anyone who seriously thinks no good offers were made is deluding themselves. Yeah...numerous teams made numerous deals with significant overpayment and high quality assets moved, but yeah...no quality offers or maybe even NO offers at all were made for a 30+ goal scoring winger with low cost multi year term left in a year where the cap is likely to surge in the future. Yup...keep telling yourself that "we just can't know!" We were the only team no one wanted to make a deal with...sure.

At least internet "experts" know not to sign a guy who is a mess to a 5 year 25 million dollar deal to then have to waive him and find zero interested parties, and they know to fire a guy who hasn't made the playoffs in 3 years despite having Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson on the roster and is in fact fighting for the bottom of the standings with those players and has not seen the second round of the playoffs for almost a DECADE. It is all good though...multiple 3rd and 4th round picks in 2027 2029 2034 will lead this team to glory...by 2040.

Lighten up Francis

[Puck-Lurker]

Presser starting now

[thehockeyguru]

Jonathan Gruden also traded in the Glass deal. Penguins got back two other prospects with the 3rd round pick, Chase Stillman and Max Graham.

Chase Stillman sounds like an interesting player. Was a 1st round pick (29th overall) and son of Cory Stillman. Curious to watch his development

Stillman is having a poor statistical 2nd season in the AHL. Looks like bottom 6 fodder of anything

[Michael74]

I will go with Dubas over internet “experts” who have Zero, none, nada, zilch, idea of whether ANY offers were made regarding the players not dealt none the less a strong or serious offer.
And who would play on Crosby”s line if Rakell was moved?
Malkin? No. When has Sullivan ever seriously played Geno there?
Never.

Why are you so concerned about who plays with who on a last place team going nowhere fast?