2025 NHL Draft

[Daniel]

I have no problem with the WBS guys getting called up, but Jarry?

Of course there are more questions than answers on the blue line but I really want to see Ned or Jarry moved at the draft or at some point during free agency

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

[Puck-Lurker]

I have no problem with the WBS guys getting called up, but Jarry?

Of course there are more questions than answers on the blue line but I really want to see Ned or Jarry moved at the draft or at some point during free agency

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

[Cow_Master66]

I hate judging any goalie in front of this swiss cheese dopey D. Not too long ago MAF was viewed as a potential headcase, letting in a bunch of terrible goals. He figured it out. Others have too.

[Daniel]

I have no problem with the WBS guys getting called up, but Jarry?

Of course there are more questions than answers on the blue line but I really want to see Ned or Jarry moved at the draft or at some point during free agency

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

[Daniel]

I hate judging any goalie in front of this swiss cheese dopey D. Not too long ago MAF was viewed as a potential headcase, letting in a bunch of terrible goals. He figured it out. Others have too.

What was the MAF quote when he went to Vegas? "Don't have as much 2 on 1's coming my way" or something along those lines. Penguin goalies have to be tougher mentally than most franchises because they keep thinking it's the 80s in terms of defense is optional attitude.

[FLPensFan]

I have no problem with the WBS guys getting called up, but Jarry?

Of course there are more questions than answers on the blue line but I really want to see Ned or Jarry moved at the draft or at some point during free agency

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

[Cow_Master66]

Would be a bug plus for the team if he can find some consistency. I wouldn’t expect it with this team’s approach to their own end, but would be huge if they didn’t have to go out and find a goalie.

[Daniel]

I have no problem with the WBS guys getting called up, but Jarry?

Of course there are more questions than answers on the blue line but I really want to see Ned or Jarry moved at the draft or at some point during free agency

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

[thehockeyguru]

I wonder if Jarry was a problem at WBS, other than taking playing time from a prospect.

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

[Daniel]

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

Honestly, I think Jarry should be traded and hopefully he does. If Edmonton or Colorado have a short playoff run because of goaltending, they might be a willing trade partner.

If they go into next season with Jarry, then by all means trade Ned and tandem Jarry with Blomqvist.

[thehockeyguru]

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

Honestly, I think Jarry should be traded and hopefully he does. If Edmonton or Colorado have a short playoff run because of goaltending, they might be a willing trade partner.

If they go into next season with Jarry, then by all means trade Ned and tandem Jarry with Blomqvist.

I saw enough of Blomquist to say give another WBS goalie a shot first

[BfromD]

The forthcoming path is clear:

1. Chicago wins the 2026 lottery to move up one slot which would shut them out from being able to win the lottery in 2026 (McKenna) or 2027 (Dupont) where the real projected prizes are. This results in better statistical odds for the other lottery teams those years (as Chicago will still be a tire fire).

2. The Rags keep their #11 pick this year as Drury "bets on himself" that they will not be a lottery team next year. Turns out he is deluded and their plan to build around an overpriced goalie with a core that is a year-older and virtually untradeable has them right back in the tank a year from now. The Pens get all of their unprotected 2026 lottery tickets

3. The Pens keep swirling at the bottom for the next two seasons as they fail to get to their game. Daddy Bettman gifts them the next Mack + Makar combo at ages 19 and 18 respectively

4. Start planning parades after that

It's that simple, people!

[Daniel]

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

Honestly, I think Jarry should be traded and hopefully he does. If Edmonton or Colorado have a short playoff run because of goaltending, they might be a willing trade partner.

If they go into next season with Jarry, then by all means trade Ned and tandem Jarry with Blomqvist.

I saw enough of Blomquist to say give another WBS goalie a shot first

I think Blomqvist will be fine, just needs an offseason to work on some flaws. You and I both know it takes awhile for a goalie to get enough experience to anticipate better.

Murasov needs another year and not sure about Larsson's NHL chances. If either of them beat out Blomqvist, it is what it is.

[Daniel]

The forthcoming path is clear:

1. Chicago wins the 2026 lottery to move up one slot which would shut them out from being able to win the lottery in 2026 (McKenna) or 2027 (Dupont) where the real projected prizes are. This results in better statistical odds for the other lottery teams those years (as Chicago will still be a tire fire).

2. The Rags keep their #11 pick this year as Drury "bets on himself" that they will not be a lottery team next year. Turns out he is deluded and their plan to build around an overpriced goalie with a core that is a year-older and virtually untradeable has them right back in the tank a year from now. The Pens get all of their unprotected 2026 lottery tickets

3. The Pens keep swirling at the bottom for the next two seasons as they fail to get to their game. Daddy Bettman gifts them the next Mack + Makar combo at ages 19 and 18 respectively

4. Start planning parades after that

It's that simple, people!

The only reason I disagree with that is because I doubt the Rangers will keep the 2026 pick unless it's a lottery pick. Next trading deadline one of two things will happens, Drury's right and the Rangers are contending. In which case the 2026 pick is invaluable for a trade deadline deal. Second, Drury's incorrect and the Rangers are floundering again and the lottery pick is more value since the 2026 draft looks to be much deeper. The lottery will be before the Rangers have to make a choice so unless they win the lottery, I think they'll give up the pick.

[Cow_Master66]

My working hypothesis is that he's a headcase of serious proportions. When he's on, you're looking at a top 10 goalie. When he's off he's not good enough for the Oberliga-Nord. I would love to see him gone, but that's not realistic with his cap hit and term. We're much more likely to be able to move Ned. Ned is an okay backup, but not a starter.

There was an episode on DKs pod where he said some of Jarry's resurgence had to do with having good things happen in his life. No details. There's this slim hope I have that Jarry can be solid for just long enough for some team to be foolish enough to take him

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

Remember last year when fellas around here were pushing for Ned to be the starter. Guys are career backups for a reason. It’s not an easy job to be a backup, and good on him for having the ability to be a decent one. But he isn’t, and never was, a starter for a reason.

[Puck-Lurker]

We rarely know about the mental and emotional side of athletes. Even Poulin was gone and we knew nothing about the cause other than mental (surprise it wasn't an upper body injury). From what I've seen about Jarry is that he doesn't take responsibility, which goes a long way in sports. If he can get his head straight, he's a cup contending goalie for sure and would have great trade value.

Maybe he is FINALLY learning that he needs to take some accountability. This is from locker room cleanout day and from DK's site:

Jarry has been quick to blame himself for any struggles in this second half of the season, and he remains steadfast that he is solely to blame for ending up in the AHL twice, rather than the team's defensive lapses at that point in the year.

"I think that's on me, and I thought I could have been better for that," he said. "Going on waivers, it was something upsetting for me," Jarry admitted. "It wasn't something that I ever expected when I signed my contract, and it was something that obviously happened, and I had to build from it. I had to grow, and I had to be a better goalie."

Moving forward, Jarry thinks he needs to have the mindset he did when he was first starting his pro career.

"Being a younger guy, you want to push those older guys, and you want to push them out of a spot," he said. "It was tough to get up here, and I think that I have to have that same mindset being one of the older guys. I can't let someone steal my job or take my job away."

That's awesome because he could possibly bring back a 2nd round pick (plus salary) from the usual suspects (Edmonton, Detroit, Buffalo, maybe Colorado). He's about at the age the Oilers and Avs tend to want in a goalie (ever notice they tend to get journeyman types about 30?).

If you want someone to push Jarry it's not Ned. Nothing against Ned he is a capable backup but that's his ceiling. I want Ned moved and a young goalie up from WBS

You got Larsson at 26, would have liked to have seen him come up when Bloomqvist was sent down instead of Jarry

Remember last year when fellas around here were pushing for Ned to be the starter. Guys are career backups for a reason. It’s not an easy job to be a backup, and good on him for having the ability to be a decent one. But he isn’t, and never was, a starter for a reason.

And Jarry has been poop for an incredible amount of time. Ned as starter isn't any good, but there was a significant stretch it was better than Jarry as starter. That's the context; it said more about Jarry than Ned.

Hoping we have a more reliably Jarry (likely can't move him for a while yet) and trade Ned so one of the others to come in and get ice.

[Gunnerfan]

You call kids up and win games. That's the goal. They get an understanding of what it takes to win at the NHL level. That's invaluable experience. It's better to get the #9 pick with that experience than to tank and have a loser's mentality and get #3.

It was a good learning experience and I think it'll help WBS in this years playoffs. They're a very young team with a 1st year coach and Koivenun & McGroarty coming up as AHL rookies will add some excitement.

That being said, 9th still kinda sucks, but I see your point.

His point basically suggests that being mediocre is acceptable. No, he really doesn't have a good point. In order to get difference makers you need to have a few down years to be competitive again. Nothing wrong with that IF you make those picks count.

He'd rather us pick 120A in perpetuity as long as Sid gets his points. He's anti team, Pro Sid (for context).

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

[Ohio_Pens_fan]

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

[Puck-Lurker]

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

How dare you make sense

[stonewizard51]

@ Gunnerfan - Thanks for that.

[Michael74]

You call kids up and win games. That's the goal. They get an understanding of what it takes to win at the NHL level. That's invaluable experience. It's better to get the #9 pick with that experience than to tank and have a loser's mentality and get #3.

It was a good learning experience and I think it'll help WBS in this years playoffs. They're a very young team with a 1st year coach and Koivenun & McGroarty coming up as AHL rookies will add some excitement.

That being said, 9th still kinda sucks, but I see your point.

His point basically suggests that being mediocre is acceptable. No, he really doesn't have a good point. In order to get difference makers you need to have a few down years to be competitive again. Nothing wrong with that IF you make those picks count.

He'd rather us pick 120A in perpetuity as long as Sid gets his points. He's anti team, Pro Sid (for context).

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

Well then you lack common sense, which in a lot of circles is worse. You don't win in this league if you don't draft and develop well! It starts there. Sure, you can augment your team via trade or UFA signing, but for the most part you build through the draft and accrue your core pieces that way. We won all five cups with a core that was comprised of 1st OA-5th OA talent. That's how you win. You don't win if you stay in the mushy middle. Too bad you haven't figured that out yet.

If they don't change course Crosby will never see the post season again. You keep talking about winning and YET when it has mattered over the last seven seasons, they lost! Hows that working out for you?

[Michael74]

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

How dare you make sense

Actually, it doesn't make sense. How anyone is satisfied with the last seven seasons of underachieving, in some cases inept leadership and out right futility is mind boggling! A seismic change needs to be made. Yet no one here seems to understand that! The overwhelming evidence is right in front of you.

[Michael74]

You call kids up and win games. That's the goal. They get an understanding of what it takes to win at the NHL level. That's invaluable experience. It's better to get the #9 pick with that experience than to tank and have a loser's mentality and get #3.

It was a good learning experience and I think it'll help WBS in this years playoffs. They're a very young team with a 1st year coach and Koivenun & McGroarty coming up as AHL rookies will add some excitement.

That being said, 9th still kinda sucks, but I see your point.

His point basically suggests that being mediocre is acceptable. No, he really doesn't have a good point. In order to get difference makers you need to have a few down years to be competitive again. Nothing wrong with that IF you make those picks count.

He'd rather us pick 120A in perpetuity as long as Sid gets his points. He's anti team, Pro Sid (for context).

I'm not anti-team. I've been a season ticket holder since 1982. So you trying to validate my fandom is really odd, weird, and immature. I could go on and on. I'm pro-winning, not losing in some pseudo-pro scouting wet dream where you think you understand every pick and player, you don't. Especially with the NHL 17-year-old being drafted. You can lose in life on your own time. I want my team and players to try to win every game, every trade, at every level. Try again or move on, Holmes.

You're anti winning in the big picture. You don't look at the long term viability of the team. You're just worried about winning meaningless games like last thursday that you likely won''t remember in a few months.

You're not about winning, you're mired in complacency. I doubt you could name more than three or four players on the team, seriously. You're just a Crosby cheerleader and don't care how bad they are otherwise.

[Puck-Lurker]

At the risk of commenting on something I've not read... there may have been a way to fit whatever's in there in a single post. A summary of sorts perhaps? I dunno.

[Sigwolf]

I've not needed the 'foe' feature on this board for many, many years... until recently. Anyone not using it in this particular case has a far greater tolerance of inane repetition than I could possibly imagine.