Penguins Trade Deadline: Buyers and Sellers?

[lemieuxReturns]

I’m not sure the hate on these deals today.

Yesterday we had:

Desjardins & Bunting

Today we have:

Schenn & Novack and a 4th and 5th rd pick.

Not one player mentioned above is critical as we rebuild or retool. So does it really matter much what it does this year or even next? We suck and will continue to as we should

From an on ice side we obviously didn’t upgrade or move the needle but we didn’t down grown much either and got younger in Novack who’s easier to flip next year. And we got two picks and Luke Schenn can be flipped for a 3rd as he as more value the Desjardins.

I think this is more than decent asset management

No we sent OUT the 4th. Didn't add one.

We will probably get several picks for Gryz and Beauvillier and Acciari by Friday. Have to play it all out. Schenn they can also get futures for. Board is getting fired up over a 4th round pick. We have a bazillion picks already.

I think the ‘fired up’ is because the Jake deal gets worse as time goes by.

[BlackNGold4Life]

Aweee I didn’t see we shipped out a 4th. Definitely changes the dynamic a bit. However if we get a 2nd for Schenn then it looks better and I think people are undervaluing Novack some.

[thehockeyguru]

Aweee I didn’t see we shipped out a 4th. Definitely changes the dynamic a bit. However if we get a 2nd for Schenn then it looks better and I think people are undervaluing Novack some.

If a 2nd could be had for Schenn Why wouldn't Nashville trade him for a 2nd?

[Puck-Lurker]

Bunting for Novak + Schenn is already getting robbed, in my eyes.

I'll wait to roast Dubas until after the deadline.

[Michael74]

We're paying a 4th rounder for the privilege of this...?!

Whiffed big time if this sticks and nothing further is done with this.

Yeah, really hope there's something else attached to that deal. I wouldn't expect Shenn to be here long, so I hate the fact that we somehow managed to get softer and easier to play against.

Nope, this is it. Bunting + 4th for Novak and Schenn and I hate it lol

Don't you think you should wait a few hours before concluding anything. I feel very confident in saying we aren't done yet.

Don't have to see the entire chess game to call out a bad move.

But I'll happily see wait and see where this goes, I'm not encouraged thusfar

I liked Bunting, but I don't necessarily see these moves as bad. I'd like to think something else is coming. But even if not it's at worst a parallel move if not an incremental improvement.

[Michael74]

Bunting for Novak + Schenn is already getting robbed, in my eyes.

I'll wait to roast Dubas until after the deadline.

What? How so?

[FLPensFan]

Yeah, I don't see the point of the deal for Novak and Schenn. Neither is young (Schenn is much older obviously), cheap, or all that good. Novak might be a decent 3C, but Lizotte probably would be around the same level as him if Sullivan played him there.

Edit: Looking at Novak's stats from the last couple years and not just this one, maybe it looks more ok. He had over 40 points in each of the last 2 seasons and 17 and 18 goals, respectively. That's probably better numbers than Lizotte would put up at 3C. Maybe Novak is just having a down year this year, like most everyone else on the Preds.

Lizotte was playing at almost a half a goal per game pace before Sullivan decided to move him to the 4th line. He had 6 goals, 9 points in 9 games after coming back from the 2nd concussion.

Novak is fine in a vacuum, but again, Novak, Glass, Hayes, Acciari, Tomasino. That's a lot of average players. If we are able to dump Acciari, Hayes, and Glass before next season, I'll like the trade more.

I'll come back to all this on Friday. Waiting to see what else plays out and what our lineup looks like Friday night or Sunday night.

[KG]

Novak is a solid player. 45 points last season in 71 games. 43 points in 51 games the previous year. Quality center that we don't have.

[TexasPenguins]

Aweee I didn’t see we shipped out a 4th. Definitely changes the dynamic a bit. However if we get a 2nd for Schenn then it looks better and I think people are undervaluing Novack some.

If a 2nd could be had for Schenn Why wouldn't Nashville trade him for a 2nd?

Ha!Ha! Maybe people think Dubas has special powers.

[thehockeyguru]

Novak is a solid player. 45 points last season in 71 games. 43 points in 51 games the previous year. Quality center that we don't have.

He's never won 45 percent of his faceoffs in a season. Sully isn't playing him at C

[Wyopen]

So our right D, collectively is over a century old. Lol.

[KG]

Novak is a solid player. 45 points last season in 71 games. 43 points in 51 games the previous year. Quality center that we don't have.

He's never won 45 percent of his faceoffs in a season. Sully isn't playing him at C

Maybe Rakell replacement? Who knows. Bottom line is Novak is a better overall player than Bunting.

[Pens4Life]

I dont mind these trades and more coming anyway..

but I do like Novak, could be solid for Pens, as LW not center, smart player, great skater.. new LW for Geno at the moment. Younger than Bunting, cheaper..

Schenn older than Descharnais,but tougher to play against.. can still be flipped tommorow for pick.

Even if they both stay, they dont move needle much, but we got better and retool continues

[Michael74]

Novak is a solid player. 45 points last season in 71 games. 43 points in 51 games the previous year. Quality center that we don't have.

He's never won 45 percent of his faceoffs in a season. Sully isn't playing him at C

Maybe Rakell replacement? Who knows. Bottom line is Novak is a better overall player than Bunting.

Agreed, I think this is very good value as is. That said, I'm not so sure Schenn will stay here.

[BlackNGold4Life]

So we got Novak for Bunting which most would agree is a win for us.

We pay 4th for Schenn with no retention from NSH. But since we can retain - we maybe can get a 2nd for him in a flip. I say we flip him regardless

[Michael74]

So our right D, collectively is over a century old. Lol.

For now.

[Daniel]

So we got Novak for Bunting which most would agree is a win for us.

We pay 4th for Schenn with no retention from NSH. But since we can retain - we maybe can get a 2nd for him in a flip. I say we flip him regardless

Not sure about this trade. They're about the same age, about the same stats. What does Novak do that Bunting can't? At face value, I don't see how this makes the Penguins better and not the kind of trade to give up a 4th round pick in a deep draft.

[KG]

Can definitely see Acciari and Schenn getting traded back to Toronto by the deadline.

[Michael74]

I just hope we trade Rakell for a tidy sum. This is a golden opportunity, these are crucial times for this GM and this teams future. Feel pretty confident we'll come out of this deadline very well.

[FLPensFan]

I just hope we trade Rakell for a tidy sum. This is a golden opportunity, these are crucial times for this GM and this teams future. Feel pretty confident we'll come out of this deadline very well.

If Dubas can't move Rakell in the next 2 days, that puts an enormous amount of pressure on him at the draft and this summer to make more impactful changes.

[ejd43]

I get the issue with schenns age, however isn’t he the type of player we’ve been wanting on the back end?? Physical and tough as nails??

[Michael74]

I just hope we trade Rakell for a tidy sum. This is a golden opportunity, these are crucial times for this GM and this teams future. Feel pretty confident we'll come out of this deadline very well.

If Dubas can't move Rakell in the next 2 days, that puts an enormous amount of pressure on him at the draft and this summer to make more impactful changes.

Agreed! I think it's important he makes a seismic move prior to friday at 3pm and maximizes this appreciating asset.

[FLPensFan]

Dubas answered questions via email after the trades. The highlights of his answers (from DKSports, Kingerski, and Yohe):

--He really viewed the two moves as one...Desharnais, Bunting and the 4th for Schenn, Novak, and a 5th

--Said Novak had been on the priority list for a few years. He's younger than Bunting, he's cheaper than Bunting, he has an extra year of term than Bunting had, and they feel he is primarily a center, which they need more depth at that position.

--Was asked if the intent is to flip Schenn....Nope. He said they feel Schenn's "defensive play, character, leadership, toughness, and spirit are what we need here to help push our program through this phase and preserve our culture and standards as we work to return to contention." Dubas also has a long history with Schenn from his time in Toronto.

--Was asked why Bunting didn't fit. Said he wouldn't say he didn't fit, talked about him coming in at a tough time, transitioning from playoff team that went all in every year. Said he started off slow this year, but in the end, he was key in Nashville wanting to do this deal. Mentioned his long relationship with him (from Toronto).

--Didn't tip his hand on anything else but said they are positioned well for the next few days, and into the draft and the summer.

Novak is drawing rave reviews. NHL Network guys said they aren't sure why he hasn't taken the next step in Nashville, as they see him as a potential 50-60 point player. Saw some saying he's a #2 center on a bad or average team or an exceptional #3 center on just about any team.

The comment I didn't like by someone, don't remember who, was talking about Dubas going after younger players. 27 is not what I had in mind for going after younger players. I think of 24 and under as younger players that should be targeted.

Two more days to see how the rest unfolds.

[Pens4Life]

Hm, interesting to hear, that Novak is planned as center for Pens,not LW.. because thru his career so far his faceoff numbers arent that good. Maybe they will now move Geno to LW with Novak at C on 2nd line..

[Puck-Lurker]

Hm, interesting to hear, that Novak is planned as center for Pens,not LW.. because thru his career so far his faceoff numbers arent that good. Maybe they will now move Geno to LW with Novak at C on 2nd line..

Couldve done as much when we still had Bunting. Glass does a lot of things well as a center.

Just doesn't score which happens to be important in this game, with this team defense, defenders and this goaltending.


As for younger... When JMFCarter left, we added Hayes (getting a few picks to do so). That was us getting 'younger', too. 57 year old out and 52 year old in. I mean it's technically younger... Which isnt the best kind of younger